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Re: Why the different sounding starters?? [Re: groundpoint6] #153713
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Interesting... This is an excellent thread. I also only use the "old" style starters on my vehicles but I did not know there were this many differences between them. I love learning new stuff. I have a stack of old starters that will probably last me for the rest of my life.

Re: Why the different sounding starters?? [Re: HemiStan] #153714
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Well truth be told as an old school guy it took me a long time to cross the line and stop using the old world starter, but I must say the new mini starter (which I now use) does take less amps and is a better starter, especially when used with a trunk mounted battery. If you are interested in one, before you spend a lot of money on a new mini starter, use a rebuilt, just use this application, 1991 Dodge Ram pick up with a 5.9 engine.

Re: Why the different sounding starters?? [Re: 69L78Nova] #153715
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I run a mini on about everything. They seem to be reliable for me and do the job everybit as good..but faster

It's not the mini starter sound that people wonder about but it is more of the sound that happens after it cranks

Re: Why the different sounding starters?? [Re: groundpoint6] #153716
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before you spend a lot of money on a new mini starter, use a rebuilt, just use this application, 1991 Dodge Ram pick up with a 5.9 engine.




Thanks, but I have a pile of them. From the older Mitsu to the newer Denso. I dont care for them. I have a Denso on my Cuda simply because its 11.2:1 and headers, but on everything else, I want it to sound like its supposed to. I can agree with startling people with the sound the old fish makes when it fires up! Gotta love it!


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Re: Why the different sounding starters?? [Re: 69L78Nova] #153717
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Can anyone post a picture of the "good old starter"

Re: Why the different sounding starters?? [Re: captaindodge] #153718
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How about a couple dusty N.O.S. ones.

4831274-MVC-003S.JPG (49 downloads)
Re: Why the different sounding starters?? [Re: 62maxwgn] #153719
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I think the older one you refer to is like the mopar starter in the ZZ top song.

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Which ZZ song would that be?

Re: Why the different sounding starters?? [Re: 69L78Nova] #153721
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Funny how guys don't like the starter sound but will hack their exhaust. I've met
a few of those.




Funny...I dont have to hack the exhaust on my Barracuda to use either the big starter or the mini. Small block, headers, and a 4-speed...cluttered with clutch linkage! Have a nice day!




Mine fits the big also, but I don't have any heat
problems, and I bet I can change my mini a whole
lot faster. Hm what starter is on the new hemis?

Re: Why the different sounding starters?? [Re: captaindodge] #153722
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Let me find it....it soulds like an older slant cranking over...I will find it, here in a sec.

I cant be the only one that that has stuck in there head....and im semi young.


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Which ZZ song would that be?



Re: Why the different sounding starters?? [Re: captaindodge] #153723
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Which ZZ song would that be?




I have mechanical Aptitude.
I can screw up anything.
Re: Why the different sounding starters?? [Re: bboogieart] #153724
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Re: Why the different sounding starters?? [Re: quick77rt ] #153725
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longer case heavy duty one is the best.....

Re: Why the different sounding starters?? [Re: quick77rt ] #153726
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Sorry Quick but I don't get it. That has to be the worst song ZZ Top ever recorded! I would rather listen to a BAM BAM BAM starter.

Re: Why the different sounding starters?? [Re: captaindodge] #153727
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Ok kill the messenger...or better yet...

Ihatezztop.com can be yours for 5.99 a month

Re: Why the different sounding starters?? [Re: goldduster318] #153728
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I like the mini starter because it doesn't take 2 hours to put in like the huge original one.




still took me two hours, more like 3. had to lift the engine an inch or so and drop the header.

sigh...

Re: Why the different sounding starters?? [Re: 69L78Nova] #153729
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Well, here's something else to consider. I use the mini starter on my '65 - 440/12.5:1 with MSD. The engine starts so quick you don't hear the starter anyway. Modern engines with good ignitions don't crank for 30 seconds before starting . Even the old starters won't make that sound if the engine starts instantly. Maybe some purists who still run original ignition systems with point distributors may enjoy the sound of the old-style starters that crank a long time before starting.


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Re: Why the different sounding starters?? [Re: groundpoint6] #153730
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Well truth be told as an old school guy it took me a long time to cross the line and stop using the old world starter, but I must say the new mini starter (which I now use) does take less amps and is a better starter, especially when used with a trunk mounted battery. If you are interested in one, before you spend a lot of money on a new mini starter, use a rebuilt, just use this application, 1991 Dodge Ram pick up ith a 5.9 engine.


Why use a Rebuilt when A new From Mopar is Cheaper.

Re: Why the different sounding starters?? [Re: quick77rt ] #153731
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I apologize 77RT ,I missed the starter sound in the beginning. ZZ Top is one of the best bands ever.
I appreciate your search.

Re: Why the different sounding starters?? [Re: Pentastar440] #153732
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Well, here's something else to consider. I use the mini starter on my '65 - 440/12.5:1 with MSD. The engine starts so quick you don't hear the starter anyway. Modern engines with good ignitions don't crank for 30 seconds before starting . Even the old starters won't make that sound if the engine starts instantly. Maybe some purists who still run original ignition systems with point distributors may enjoy the sound of the old-style starters that crank a long time before starting.





Modern engines start instantly because they are fuel injected.

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