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Re: 440 Stroker Compression
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11/21/08 02:25 PM
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achieving .035-.040 quench is critical
This has me curious. Given a .040 head gasket thickness this means there has to be zero deck height. Correct ??
yes . wit ha closed chamber head , wit han open chamber you need a D shatepped steped dome and in the case of cast iron heads you need to equalize the depths of the open chamber across the head , they are anytihng but flat and equal .
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Re: 440 Stroker Compression
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11/21/08 02:41 PM
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interesting analysis 
Why thank you 
An 800 thunder AVS camoflaged to look like an OE AVS has never been done either....nobody would ever stamp the correct numbers in one, run old rusty choke linkage on one, bead blast it and let it corrode so it looks OE etc, and I would never suggest anyone try such a thing, but it might work I belive the carb rule is just like the head rule....can be interpreted more than one way.
Pump gas isn't going to work either, but again it's all up to interpretation. Race gas can come from a pump, after all.
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Re: 440 Stroker Compression
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11/21/08 03:53 PM
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interesting analysis
Why thank you
An 800 thunder AVS camoflaged to look like an OE AVS has never been done either....nobody would ever stamp the correct numbers in one, run old rusty choke linkage on one, bead blast it and let it corrode so it looks OE etc, and I would never suggest anyone try such a thing, but it might work I belive the carb rule is just like the head rule....can be interpreted more than one way.
Pump gas isn't going to work either, but again it's all up to interpretation. Race gas can come from a pump, after all.
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Re: 440 Stroker Compression
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11/21/08 04:20 PM
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at our circle track of which I am about the only Mopar one of the chebby boys tried to run an alum intake by painting it with several coats of a ferrous based paint so the tech inspectors magnet would stick. Didn't get it thick enough & that was the end of that
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Re: 440 Stroker Compression
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11/23/08 09:41 AM
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I'm just wondering if they get through inspection to race, but what if they won that event? I'll bet the inspection would get a little more critical.
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Re: 440 Stroker Compression
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11/23/08 10:42 AM
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they give everybody a cursory checkout before the races some for rules & some for safety equip & yes the winner gets teched more thoroughly. I want to beat em without breaking the rules so I will get the satisfaction of knowing (1)they're cheating(& I am not) & that(2) Mopars are superior & lastly the satisfaction of knowing that I was straight up honest in the whole deal. & that's where it gets tough as there's dozens of areas that you have to decide how far you want to "bend" the rules.
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Re: 440 Stroker Compression
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11/23/08 12:38 PM
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they give everybody a cursory checkout before the races some for rules & some for safety equip & yes the winner gets teched more thoroughly. I want to beat em without breaking the rules so I will get the satisfaction of knowing (1)they're cheating(& I am not) & that(2) Mopars are superior & lastly the satisfaction of knowing that I was straight up honest in the whole deal. & that's where it gets tough as there's dozens of areas that you have to decide how far you want to "bend" the rules.
Following the rules - bending the rules - cheating. There are probably extremes on both ends that most would agree with, but not all. And everything else in the middle are different shades of grey. The more simple the rules, the more room for interpertation. FAST rules are very simple, and arguably intended to be subjective. If you choose to read the rules with what you believe to be the intent, verses what the word actually say, the results will be different. Many like this racing due to this very reason, and it part of this kind of racing.
If the original poster wants to seriously compete with the fastest FAST cars using a 4 bbl big block, he has a lot of work to do beyond the carb and heads. The intake is the large disadvantage. It needs to be completely dissected with considerable cutting and welding, and put back together to look stock. Add all of the other tricks, and you'll still be short of the power of a big block six-pack, or just about any BB Chevy at the same level of effort. It'll need to go into a 3000 lbs car and, if it is an A Body, more serious tricks will need to be performed on the driver side exhaust manifold. I would like to see someone tackle this challange, as I cannot afford to do it right.
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Re: 440 Stroker Compression
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11/23/08 01:06 PM
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What compression should I build my 440 stroker too? I'm going to use a 440source.com kit with pistons 30 over and a 4.15 stroke. The goal is streetable motor with 452 heads ported, that will look stock and be able to run fast class. I'll run it on pump gas. - it'll have a 178 intake manifold, which will be ported, stock exhaust manifolds, and a Carter AVC carb. Thanks in advance for your suggestions!
I just read this again , WHAT car are you putting this in ? if it's the 69 GTX then you better get the OK FIRST from FAST before porting those heads because they aren't really legal .
If you are starting from scratch you should use the best set of 906's you can find .
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