Re: '69 roadrunner w/AC - engine color?
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11/25/08 10:24 PM
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Yeah, you are correct. This website shows that all 383 RR engines in 69' would have been E63, either variety. http://www.genocide2600.com/~traviso/mml/bodydecode.html#eThe "Charger Road Runner & Super Bee Restoration Guide" by Paul Herd (1994) shows E62 as the regular 383 4bl for 1969, but does not list the E63 in the appendix.
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Re: '69 roadrunner w/AC - engine color?
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11/26/08 11:57 PM
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I'm not saying that this book is the mopar holy gail, but it is one of the most comprehensive of the very few B-body restoration books available, and has had an influence on most factory restorations completed since its publishing.
The book also says on page 23,
"A few 383/335hp V-8's were painted turquoise when equipped with air conditioning."
Again on page 29,
"Note that some 1969 and 1970 383s in air-conditioned Super Bees and Road Runners were painted Turquoise."
On page 40 (picture caption)
"Cars sold in California in 1969 used a dual snorkel air cleaner with the high performance 383ci and 440ci powerplants."
YOU ARE KIDDING, RIGHT??
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I'm not saying that this book is the mopar holy gail, but it is one of the most comprehensive of the very few B-body restoration books available, and has had an influence on most factory restorations completed since its publishing.
None that I've had any part in. Was warned against it many moons ago & if your examples are proof of how good it is, then the warning was well deserved.
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The book also says on page 23,
"A few 383/335hp V-8's were painted turquoise when equipped with air conditioning."
If you have been following this thread, you can see that the 383HP/335hp engine with A/C is mythical. Please provide proof that this combo existed in '68 and/or '69.
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Again on page 29,
"Note that some 1969 and 1970 383s in air-conditioned Super Bees and Road Runners were painted Turquoise."
1969 - all SB and RR with A/C were turquois & 1970 - all SB and RR with A/C were orange. (exceptions would be "factory mistakes" & not the norm, proof would be the responsibility of the owner/restorer)
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On page 40 (picture caption)
"Cars sold in California in 1969 used a dual snorkel air cleaner with the high performance 383ci and 440ci powerplants."
Poor choice of wording or taken out of context. All '70 model year b-bodies w/single 4bbl carb. w/o a fresh air hood (N96) sold in California during Sept. - Dec '69 had a dual snorkel air cleaner.
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Re: '69 roadrunner w/AC - engine color?
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11/27/08 01:03 AM
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Look, I mean no disrespect, and I expect none in return. If I show you a picture of a car that is supposedly "unrestored" you can easily claim that the color was changed like this one. http://www.carsolina.com/ss3.htmWhat indisputable evidence would be required to have proof of something like this? I do not claim to know. I am just putting forth literature on the issue, which is what this forum is for, correct?
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Re: '69 roadrunner w/AC - engine color?
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11/27/08 02:32 AM
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Look, I mean no disrespect, and I expect none in return.
If I show you a picture of a car that is supposedly "unrestored" you can easily claim that the color was changed like this one. http://www.carsolina.com/ss3.htm
What indisputable evidence would be required to have proof of something like this? I do not claim to know. I am just putting forth literature on the issue, which is what this forum is for, correct?
The RR in the link you posted is not an unrestored car; many of the nuts and bolts and wire harness clamps have body color paint on them , the throttle cable clamp almost looks turquois or silver and not engine orange? The washer bottle is not original, no engine paint on the battery ground cable............
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Re: '69 roadrunner w/AC - engine color?
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11/27/08 11:57 AM
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Anybody notice that the correct clutch on a 69 383 with A/C is smaller than one on a 440 car?
69.5 A12 Bee, first purchased in 1976, car 169 on registry
69 Coronet R/T 440/4 spd
69 Coronet 500 Conv H code 383 4bbl/auto
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Re: '69 roadrunner w/AC - engine color?
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11/27/08 12:09 PM
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Look, I mean no disrespect, and I expect none in return.
If I show you a picture of a car that is supposedly "unrestored" you can easily claim that the color was changed like this one. http://www.carsolina.com/ss3.htm
What indisputable evidence would be required to have proof of something like this? I do not claim to know. I am just putting forth literature on the issue, which is what this forum is for, correct?
Like Doug said; a Lynch road fender tag or a broadcast sheet showing the A/C option and the 335hp motor. That's the ONLY way to provide proof.
No disrespect intended, but here's a friendly pce of wisdom to a Moparts newbie that it took me 5000 posts to learn: Doug, Dan and Mike know what they are talking about.....trust me.
Dave
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Re: '69 roadrunner w/AC - engine color?
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11/27/08 10:20 PM
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Look, I mean no disrespect, and I expect none in return.
If I show you a picture of a car that is supposedly "unrestored" you can easily claim that the color was changed like this one. http://www.carsolina.com/ss3.htm
What indisputable evidence would be required to have proof of something like this? I do not claim to know. I am just putting forth literature on the issue, which is what this forum is for, correct?
James, many people new to the hobby rely on Herd's restoration book. After time, you come to realize how many mistakes are in the book. It would be more of a service to the hobby if the publishers stopped printing the book and prevent more confusion.
One advantage message boards have over books is the collective information from lots of people and their ability to post supporting documentation. Books don't have the ability to offer the volumes of documentation that a message board can.
The engine color, tranny and A/C question comes up often. Here are two threads that were productive:
383-tranny thread #1
Thread #2
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