Re: 180* off?
[Re: midnite360]
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10/21/13 06:49 PM
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RapidRobert
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With it dot to dot (6/12) o'clock if you installed the dist with the rotor under the #1 cap terminal yes it'd be 180 out.
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Re: 180* off?
[Re: midnite360]
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10/22/13 09:17 AM
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Rick_Ehrenberg
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Main point is to avoid excessive cranking at any cost - that's the cam killer. Be sure there is actually spark in both crank and run key positions (hook up another dist., just "lying there", spin shaft), pre-fill carb bowls with fuel, screw idle speed screw in a bit extra, static-time to 10 deg BTDC, shot of ether, air cleaner on. Let 'er rip, should start in 2 to 3 compression strokes. No idling below 2500 for 20 minutes.
Rick
This, of course, is not nearly as critical with a roller cam.
Rick
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Re: 180* off?
[Re: Rick_Ehrenberg]
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10/22/13 09:24 AM
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re-priming won't really do much. the oil pump is turning while the engine is cranking, so it is moving oil through the passages. and no amount of priming will put lube back onto the cam lobes/lifters, so hurry up and get that thing to fire!
Yes, dot to dot (crank at 12, cam at 6) is TDC firing #6.
easiest way to fix this...remove the bolt holding the distributor hold down in place. remove the distributor cap. lift the distributor up about an inch. spin the rotor in the distributor 180 degrees, and set the distributor back down into place, toss on the cap, and fire the engine up. then set timing and replace the distributor hold down.
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Re: 180* off?
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10/22/13 03:09 PM
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Cab_Burge
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put finger over number one spark plug hole,turn engine over until you feel compression,stop the crank at 10 to 15 degrees before TDC,pull dist. cap, rotor should be pointing at number one terinal,if not make it so,then turn dist so the reluctor wheel is in line with the pick-up sensor,should fire right up if you have spark and fuel.
  Make sure there is fuel in the carb. and pump once or twice and hold the throttle at 1/8 to 1/3 open and stsrt it up, run at or above 1500 while breaking in the cam and make sure and set the timing right away with a good timing light
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Re: 180* off?
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10/22/13 04:02 PM
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re-priming won't really do much. the oil pump is turning while the engine is cranking, so it is moving oil through the passages. and no amount of priming will put lube back onto the cam lobes/lifters, .
Disagree with this statement. Priming pumps oil to the top end which in turn lubricates the rocker to valve contact points, and valve springs and returns to the oil pan though the valley over top of the lifters and cam lobes.
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Re: 180* off?
[Re: MoparforLife]
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10/22/13 08:46 PM
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RapidRobert
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Small block? Cut 2 strips of paper, 5" and 2" & a weak 9/16" long. turn the dampener slit to zero on the timing tab on #6 compression then back up the dampener slit (CCW) 5" & preoil the dr side then turn the dampener CW 1 turn + 5" till the timing slit is back at TDC (#1 compression) then go clockwise an addit'l 2&9/16" & preoil the pass side. Then go back CCW to TDC & a bit more to 15 BTDC & you're ready to time the dist to #1
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Re: 180* off?
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10/23/13 10:46 PM
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MadMatt
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re-priming won't really do much. the oil pump is turning while the engine is cranking, so it is moving oil through the passages. and no amount of priming will put lube back onto the cam lobes/lifters, so hurry up and get that thing to fire!
Yes, dot to dot (crank at 12, cam at 6) is TDC firing #6.
easiest way to fix this...remove the bolt holding the distributor hold down in place. remove the distributor cap. lift the distributor up about an inch. spin the rotor in the distributor 180 degrees, and set the distributor back down into place, toss on the cap, and fire the engine up. then set timing and replace the distributor hold down.
Hope I'm not hijacking the thread, but this seems to the perfect opportunity to ask a question. I just acquired a 69 Dart with a 318 and when I went to time it the timing mark on the damper seems to be 180* off with the timing light firing off the #1 wire. If I crank the timing mark around so that it points at TDC, and find that the rotor is pointed at the #6 wire can I just lift the distributor and rotate the rotor to # 1 position?
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Re: 180* off?
[Re: MoparforLife]
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10/24/13 08:02 AM
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re-priming won't really do much. the oil pump is turning while the engine is cranking, so it is moving oil through the passages. and no amount of priming will put lube back onto the cam lobes/lifters, .
Disagree with this statement. Priming pumps oil to the top end which in turn lubricates the rocker to valve contact points, and valve springs and returns to the oil pan though the valley over top of the lifters and cam lobes.
you can disagree all you want, but what kind of RPM does an electric drill turn against a bogged down oil pump that's fighting oil pressure? now, what kind of RPM does the oil pump turn when the crank is being turned by the starter?
oil flowing through the engine is oil flowing through the engine.
(remember, this engine has already been prelubed, it's not like he's cranking the starter away on a dry motor that still has air in the oil system and dry rocker arms)
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Re: 180* off?
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10/24/13 07:10 PM
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MoparJ
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Might also want to make sure the drive gear that the end of the dizzy shaft plugs into is aligned correctly, or sitting in place....
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I hope I am right.
