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Just thought I'd post results of a couple shakedown runs last weekend on new combo using Out-of-the-Box Victor MW heads. Was looking combo results like this a while back but didn't seem to find a lot on these heads out of the box. I was tempted to do at least a little clean up on 'em with a sanding roll but, wanted to see true ootb results.

440/511 4.25 stroke. Flat tops .010 in the holes. 13-1
Victor MW heads (77949) No port work, no clean up, no surfacing or valve job. Did check valve contact and clearance for pushrods. Chambers ccd right at 70.
Solid roller 275/280@.050 .674/.674 lift w/1.6 HS rockers.
Super Victor intake & 1050 2 circ. 35 deg timing.
Hooker Super Comp 2.125 - race bullets
727 footbrake
8 inch ATI converter
Caltracs
4.10 Dana

3800lb with me in it.

[Email]10.44@128[/Email] 1.473 60ft shifting around 7400, I kinda wanna bring it down to 7k or less

Still got some things to do but was pretty happy.

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wow great job sounds like with more tuning you will get her faster yet.mopar65

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I didn't know that was a brand new combo, Nice. Air was about 2000+' da most of the weekend on my weather station, what time was that run?

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It was the last hit before eliminations 1:45?. I didn't end up running first round as I was fighting that trans leak and header gasket went. I figured I'd cut my losses and save for next time. Had a fun time.

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Thats a nice start, but I am betting there is much more in it. I did best shifting a 499 with unported 440-1 heads at 6800, my 528 cube motor with those same heads ported flowing 380 with a .775 lift roller (283/296/110)I shift at 7100. I am betting your combo may like 7,000 better than 7400.

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Yeah, had the shift lite set at 6900 and saw it come on but was still pullin. Figured I better shift someday. I need to abide by the light but like to defy authority Will try lower rpm shifts next time

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Thats a nice start, but I am betting there is much more in it. I did best shifting a 499 with unported 440-1 heads at 6800, my 528 cube motor with those same heads ported flowing 380 with a .775 lift roller (283/296/110)I shift at 7100. I am betting your combo may like 7,000 better than 7400.

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Yeah, had the shift lite set at 6900 and saw it come on but was still pullin. Figured I better shift someday. I need to abide by the light but like to defy authority Will try lower rpm shifts next time

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Thats a nice start, but I am betting there is much more in it. I did best shifting a 499 with unported 440-1 heads at 6800, my 528 cube motor with those same heads ported flowing 380 with a .775 lift roller (283/296/110)I shift at 7100. I am betting your combo may like 7,000 better than 7400.

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Yeah, had the shift lite set at 6900 and saw it come on but was still pullin. Figured I better shift someday. I need to abide by the light but like to defy authority Will try lower rpm shifts next time

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What size tire and what rpm were you going through the traps at?

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It looked like you guys were having fun. At 2.15pm my weather was 90.6 f/ 29.37"bp /19.8% hum/ 3099' da. Thought you might want that so you have something to compair to

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Are these the new style chamber, or the older style? ( what is the date of manufacter?)

Depending on which one it is, you might be surprised at what you are leaving on the table with those OOTB.

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Not sure which ones they are exactly. Purchased new last December. The boxes show "Lot Date" of 10/04/2012. Where is the date code on the head? I hear ya on leaving some on the table, just had to do it so I know plus, I didn't want to get greedy Maybe have something to look forward to later on...Was shooting for mid/low 10s with this combo so in the ballpark...

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Sounds like a MEAN combo !

I think your shift point is WAY too high .

With that cam and big cubes... Try shifting at 6500 . I bet you a cheeseburger it goes at least a tenth faster

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Cheeseburger? Just ate & now I'm hungry again Yep, next time out gonna pay attention to the shift light & not my ears.

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Sounds like a MEAN combo !

I think your shift point is WAY too high .

With that cam and big cubes... Try shifting at 6500 . I bet you a cheeseburger it goes at least a tenth faster

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Cheeseburger? Just ate & now I'm hungry again Yep, next time out gonna pay attention to the shift light & not my ears.

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440/511 4.25 stroke. Flat tops .010 in the holes. 13-1
Victor MW heads (77949) No port work, no clean up, no surfacing or valve job. Did check valve contact and clearance for pushrods. Chambers ccd right at 70.
Solid roller 274/280@.050 .674/.674 lift w/1.6 HS rockers.
Super Victor intake & 1050 2 circ. 35 deg timing.
Hooker Super Comp 2.125 - race bullets
727 footbrake
8 inch ATI converter
Caltracs
4.10 Dana

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Your combo is very close to mine. Looks like you have a bit more cam. My heads were ported to MW size and have been cleaned up and had a good valve job. My Indy 440-2 intake also had some plenum work and was matched to the heads. I have 4.56s with a 10.5w x 31 tire. It weighs over 3500# with the driver and has gone 10.15 at almost 131 mph. This was with 32* of timing and it needs more jet. It has had a 60' of 1.386. I think Jim shifted at 6700. You have more left in it and it is just a matter of time before you find it!! Good luck!!

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70cc's out of the box. I thought they where supposed to be 75cc?

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1. Your Lot Date is definitely the later production w/ the smaller chamber (advertised 72 cc) and more restrictive ports.

2. Yes, you're leaving a lot on the table by having run them as true OOB heads. Porting, chamber work & valve job are all areas for improvement.,

Me, I can't run ANYTHING OOB... but my junk's never together to run much, either.

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I hear ya Brad. Just wanted to try it this way to start plus, the $$$ saved by not porting helped buy rockers. In fact, mine is the first engine I've seen in person "running" with Victor heads. Everyone else I know around here runs Indy. Heck I'm surrounded by 'em . Just had to be different and go against the grain

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I bought a top end set up with the Victor M.W. heads, Super Victor 4500 intake and valley plate from a member, he bought them from Hughes with thier extruded rocker arms and valves ready to assemble. I check one combustion chamber last night with a Autolite 3911 spark plug in it and it measured 74.6 CC. I looked on the Edlbrock web site and printed thier head flow information, I'm kind of disappointed in what I read. Has anyone flowed a set of those heads with the M.W. ports ? if so can you post the results , especially at .300,.400, .500 and .600 please

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Just send em to me Cab, I`ll put em to good use.

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Cab...I have my sheet here. Mine were the 77929s opened up to MW port. Would that help you?

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Yes it would I called Eddy tech. this morning and ask several questions about what they offer in M.W heads and if the Victor head and the Victor M.W. was the same casting, it is according to them I'm suprised with the flow results they have on thier web site, hence my wanting to see other flow results Thanks, Ted

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Makes sense as the numbers they show are the same as what they show for standard Victors. All they changed was the part number.

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I jsut looked at both flow sheets for the 440 port size Victor #77929 and the 77949 M.W. Victor port size and the flow numbers are no different, exactly the same I called Eddy tech. again before looking back at this post and ask them if the flow numbers psoted on their web site for the M.W. was for the M.W. or the 440 port sizes, the tech, Ron, assued me that they where for the M.W. heads, not the 440 port sizes Me thinks they no nothing about what they talk about I don't know if I should waste any more of my time calling Eddy tech to point thier erors out to them or not, any volunteers want to do that now We'll see

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Cab think of your head as a funnel with the BIG part of the funnel being the intake flange opening. If you make the large opening bigger it won't let more flow come out of the small end. It only makes the BIG end easier to hit. Max wedge opening gives you a different option for intake manifolds but unless you open the rest of the port it won't or shouldn't flow more.

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That is what the Eddy Tech said on the first and last call, thanks for reinforcing what he said My non ported Indy SR with M.W. ports flowed similar to what Teds ported Victor M.W. do now, not like what the flow sheets showned on the Eddy Web site show I have a set of 440-1 that Jeff CNC ported before he died so I'll dig them out and do some port comparing with some mechanical calipers from those to the new Eddy Victors M.W. and see what I find. Thanks again to all of you O.P.,sorry for hijacking this post

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... Me thinks they no(sp) nothing about what they talk about

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Same here, since the OOB standard vs. MW Victor flow tests I've seen do show the MW ports flowing more up high.

Also, their advertised flow #s don't reflect the changes they made to the Victor heads at the end of 2011. They don't flow as well OOB now due to chamber & bowl revisions.

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Cab think of your head as a funnel with the BIG part of the funnel being the intake flange opening. If you make the large opening bigger it won't let more flow come out of the small end. It only makes the BIG end easier to hit. Max wedge opening gives you a different option for intake manifolds but unless you open the rest of the port it won't or shouldn't flow more.

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That is what the Eddy Tech said on the first and last call, thanks for reinforcing what he said My non ported Indy SR with M.W. ports flowed similar to what Teds ported Victor M.W. do now, not like what the flow sheets showned on the Eddy Web site show I have a set of 440-1 that Jeff CNC ported before he died so I'll dig them out and do some port comparing with some mechanical calipers from those to the new Eddy Victors M.W. and see what I find. Thanks again to all of you O.P.,sorry for hijacking this post

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Its all good info Cab and for us old, and young racers needs discussed once in awhile so it sinks in and makes some sense. Its like degreeing in a cam, you can watch someone do it 10 times but until you do it yourself its all French. Then we get that dumb look on our face like I do 100 times a day.

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Thanks again to all of you O.P.,sorry for hijacking this post

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No problem I like seeing everyone's info on these heads. You guys had a busy morning

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The Eddy web sites indicates that they CNC the 440 Victor head to make it the M.W.victor head so seeing results for a set opened up by a competent head porter would be good Maybe there is hope for mine

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The Eddy web sites indicates that they CNC the 440 Victor head to make it the M.W.victor head so seeing results for a set opened up by a competent head porter would be good Maybe there is hope for mine

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i'll admit, ive only had a couple of different Victor MW heads in my shop......but those heads i had my hands on were definately NOT std port heads with the intake opening CNC'd out to a MW size.
i was as surprised as anyone when i saw the first one, since i just assumed thats how they were going to do it, but it was its own MW sized port as cast.

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I looked at mine yesterday in the late afternoon, thier definetitily cast as Max wedge all the way to the bowls, no CNC work in sight Me thinks the Eddy Tech rep don't speak, have seen or understand Mopar heads at all

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Howdy Mr Porter, I must say, I'm pretty happy with that cam and your advise. I told you I was shootin for 10.50s. You said "It'll run 10.50s like falling off a log". Pretty much did it on the first shakedown pass off the trailer with no dyno time. Threw it together and went to the track. Should get better next time out. Thanks again!! Mike

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hey Mike......i'm glad its working out as well as expected.
its nice when i plan comes together like its supposed to

the engine bay looks nice and clean