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#1515731 - 10/11/13 11:24 PM Drag Week 2013: The Experience
MoparBilly Offline
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Loc: Phoenix, AZ
The Players:
Banyard Viper 65 D-100 Gasser
Engine: Filled 440 block w ARP studs,(508) 4.25 X 4.36 440 source rotating assembly with flat-top pistons. 84cc Edelbrock Performer RPM heads w/ Isky 1.5 ductile iron rockers. Weiand Tunnel Ram and 2 750DPs. .040 Cometic HG, 11.2 to 1 compression. Howards solid flat tappet, 272 at .050, .639 lift, 108. Hughes "cool face" edm lifters.
8qt. pan 1/2 internal p/u., remote filter, and oil cooler.

Ignition: MSD 6AL, Blaster II, MP Elect. Distributor, Taylor wires.

Fuel system: 15 Gal cell in Bed, two -8 feed lines through comp 5000 filter, one to Edelbrock manual pump, the other to an A1000 Aeromotive electric. Moroso fuel log regulator with -10 return. Manual for cruise, electric for race.

Trans: 727 with Super Sprag, Cheetah RMVB, TCI 8" 5500 Stall, Hurst Lightning Rods shifter.

Cooling: Large 2 core aluminum cross flow radiator w trans cooler on front. Standard rigid steel fan, 440 source front of engine kit.

Rearend: 3.91 gear on a spool in a 489 case. Back braced 8 3/4 with Moser axles and green bearings.

Chassis: Stock D-100 frame, full cage, boxed at spring mounts. Stock straight axle, with Scarebird disc brake conversion. 7 degrees worth of caster wedges. 2800lb Super Gas A Body Mopar Performance Super Stock leaf springs, mounted under the frame, and under the rear end with 2" lowering blocks.

Rolling stock: Rocket Launcher 15 X 4 front spoke style wheels with 28" Sportsman Fronts, ET 15 X 10 Aluminum Slots with M/T ET Street 31 X 14.50.

Curb weight: 3650 without driver on Beech Bend scales.

Driver: Brian "Boone" Gebhart.
Trunk Monkey: Bill "Pops" Gebhart.


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#1515732 - 10/12/13 12:06 AM Re: Drag Week 2013: The Experience [Re: MoparBilly]
MoparBilly Offline
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The Gremlin
Engine: 440 block with ARP studs, stock steel crank, 440 source H-beam rods, .060 over Venolia flat-tops, .053 in the hole, .055 Cometic HG, 10.6 to 1 compression. Indy 63cc 440SR heads tall port with Isky 1.5 ductile iron rockers. Indy 440-3 with 1050 ultra HP Dominator. Howards solid flat tappet cam 272/639 on 108, Howards edm lifters. Milodon dragster pan with dual pickup and Milodon pump.

Ignition: MSD 7AL2, HVC Coil, MP elect. dist. Taylor wires.

Fuel system: 5 gal. plastic cell. -8 line through Fram HPG-1 filter, and comp 140 electric pump, deadhead 2 port regulator.

Trans: JW Performance complete Ultra Glide w 1.80 Straight cut planetary. JW Performance 8" 6300 stall converter.

Cooling: 2 core aluminum cross flow radiator w trans cooler on front. Standard rigid steel fan, 440 source front of engine kit.

Rearend: 4.56 geared Dana 60 with spool and Moser axles.

Chassis: Ladder bar back half with full cage. Competition Engineering Coil-Over kits on all four corners. R&P steering.

Rolling stock: Pro Star 15 X 4 front wheels with 26" Sportsman Fronts, Pro Star 15 X 14 with M/T ET Street 31 X 14.50.

Curb weight: 3060 on Beech Bend scales with driver on board.

Driver: Dale Gebhart (The "little" brother)
Trunk Monkey: James Gilliland
Class Entered: Modified N/A


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#1515733 - 10/12/13 06:56 AM Re: Drag Week 2013: The Experience [Re: MoparBilly]
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Neat!
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#1515734 - 10/12/13 09:10 AM Re: Drag Week 2013: The Experience [Re: bobby66]
11secdart Offline
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Man that truck is cool!


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Edited by 11secdart (10/12/13 09:13 AM)
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#1515735 - 10/12/13 09:29 AM Re: Drag Week 2013: The Experience [Re: MoparBilly]
MPerry Offline


Registered: 01/20/03
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Loc: Fitchburg,Massachusetts
What kind of oil cooler is being run on the truck?
I have a partial filled block that I want to add an oil cooler to.
Weren't there a few more cars in your group?

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#1515736 - 10/12/13 12:06 PM Re: Drag Week 2013: The Experience [Re: MPerry]
MoparBilly Offline
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Quote:

What kind of oil cooler is being run on the truck?
I have a partial filled block that I want to add an oil cooler to.
Weren't there a few more cars in your group?




Derale Cooling Products 51610 - Derale Performance Stacked Plate Fluid Coolers Fluid Cooler, Plate-Type, Aluminum, Black, 16-Row, -10 AN, 6.688 in. x 13 in. x 2 in.

He probably should have went a bit larger, he still runs into a problem on hot days, or extended runs. 210 to 220 is normal temp, once it starts above 225 to 230, a noticeable drop in oil pressure starts. In the picture below, those are the feed lines, the cooler sits inside the cross member.

In 2006 we took a filled 493 with no oil cooler, and no oil temp guage, and pressure drop would begin about 4 miles into the drive! So this was much better.

Yeah, we have other cars, I'm getting to it!


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#1515737 - 10/12/13 12:38 PM Re: Drag Week 2013: The Experience [Re: MoparBilly]
cudadon Offline
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Yeah, we have other cars, I'm getting to it!




SHEESH give the guy a break, you don't want to rush a great adventure story like this!

He probably has a job to go to....LOL

Great job on this tale Billy!
Don


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#1515738 - 10/12/13 02:43 PM Re: Drag Week 2013: The Experience [Re: MoparBilly]
rapom Offline
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You guys are die hards driving that Gremlin with those specs.

What shocked me most was the 6300 stall, 4.56 gears and 5 gal tank.

That had to be only good for 30-40 miles between gas stations.

Love the story. You would be a great author for any topic.

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#1515739 - 10/12/13 02:43 PM Re: Drag Week 2013: The Experience [Re: cudadon]
MPerry Offline


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Not trying to rush. I just thought I saw a later Tan Charger in the mix and was hoping to read more about it.

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#1515740 - 10/12/13 03:07 PM Re: Drag Week 2013: The Experience [Re: MPerry]
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Not trying to rush. I just thought I saw a later Tan Charger in the mix and was hoping to read more about it.


Be pateint it is there. Billy works a full time job also Them boys are gluttons for punishment, the wole dang family I do admire thier persistances, determination and patiences
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#1515741 - 10/13/13 01:31 AM Re: Drag Week 2013: The Experience [Re: rapom]
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Quote:

You guys are die hards driving that Gremlin with those specs.

What shocked me most was the 6300 stall, 4.56 gears and 5 gal tank.

That had to be only good for 30-40 miles between gas stations.





I had intended to do his another way, but what the heck, I'll just roll with it. Usually I try to flesh out the combinations as the story goes along, but I decided to do this, because with 5/6 different cars, it might get a bit unwieldy!

Boone's truck was a carefully thought out, clean sheet approach, with everything aimed towards Drag Week. The Gremlin is pretty much the exact opposite of that. It's an old bracket car with a bunched of used, recycled, re-purposed parts from several different projects just thrown against the wall, and lets see what happens! The converter and trans are what it took to get a 440, Indy-1, aggressive roller cam combination in a 2750lb chassis barracuda up on the wheel, and through the 1/4 in the 9.30-145 range. The rear gear, wheels, fuel system, batteries were all in the car from it's bracket days. The short block is filled with stuff Wade Metzinger pulled out of his bracket Cuda, because the shear number of runs on the stuff made him nervous. The SR heads were retired from my Dad's Challenger race car after 6 years of racing, and three years of sitting on the engine without the rockers backed off then a year of sitting on the shelf. The core of hot rodding has always been centered around individuals who have the desire, the know how, and not necessarily the funds to accomplish something.


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#1515742 - 10/13/13 02:07 AM Re: Drag Week 2013: The Experience [Re: MoparBilly]
MoparBilly Offline
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The Belvedere
Engine: 440, ARP studs, stock crank and rods, TRW flat tops, .040 Cometic HG.
CNC ported Stealths, stock rockers and pushrods, Comp Cams 270H Magnum, 224 at .050, 470 lift, on a 110, M-1 with 800DP holley. 8qt 440 source pan, 1 3/4 headers into 2 1/2 full exhaust.

Ignition: Standard electronic ignition box, blaster II, MP Elect. Dist. 7mm Accel wires.

Fuel system: Stock tank, stock 5/16 line, Carter street pump to carb with teed off line to NOS fuel solenoid.

Trans: 727 with Transgo #3 manual shift kit, 11" 2700 stall converter.

Cooling: Off shore brass 26" radiator, full shroud, MP viscous fan package, Trans cooler on front.

Rear end: 8 3/4 with Dr Diff 30 spline axles and green bearings, 2.76 sure grip in 741 case.

Chassis: Stock front with disc brake conversion, new hemi leafs on rear.

Rolling stock: 15 x 4 Centerline Revs with 215/70 radials on front. 15 x 8 Revs on rear with 255/60 15 MT Drag Radials.

Power Adder: NOS Big Shot plate.

Curb Weight: 3725 without driver on Heartland Park Topeka scales.

Driver: Rachael Gebhart

Entered: SR BB/PA class.


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#1515743 - 10/13/13 02:26 PM Re: Drag Week 2013: The Experience [Re: MoparBilly]
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The 73 Charger
Engine:66 440, stock steel crank and rods, KB 237 .030 pistons, 1009 Fel-pro HG
OOTB Stealth heads, 440 source 1.6 rockers, Comp 305H Magnum cam, 253@ .050, 560 with 1.6, on a 110, standard comp hyd. lifters. M-1 and 1050HP Dominator. 8qt milodon pan w 1/2 pick up. 1 7/8 supercomps with 3" H-pipe exhaust.

Ignition: MSD Digital 6+, HVC coil, MSD dist.

Fuel system: Stock tank with welded in sump, -8 to Mallory filter, Mallory comp 140 pump, -8 to dead head regulator, -6 to carb bowls and N20 fuel solenoid.

Trans: 727 with Cheetah RMVB, Dynamic 9.5 3800 stall, column shift.

Cooling: Champion Alum radiator and shroud, clutch fan, trans cooler in front of ac condenser.

chassis: stock, with welded in subframe connectors and Lakewood slapper bars.

Rear end. back braced 8 3/4 with Dr Diff 30 spline axles, 742 case 3.91 sure grip.

Rolling Stock 15 X 4 Centerline Split spoke with 28" sportsman fronts, 15 x 8 Centerline Split spoke with M/T Sportsman Pro 29 X 12.50

Power Adder: NOS Big Shot plate

Curb Weight: 4260 with driver on truck stop CAT scale.

Driver: Darren Gebhart

Class entered: SR BB/PA


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#1515744 - 10/13/13 04:32 PM Re: Drag Week 2013: The Experience [Re: MoparBilly]
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Cool stuff Billy.....cool stuff......

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#1515745 - 10/14/13 08:57 PM Re: Drag Week 2013: The Experience [Re: MoparBilly]
MoparBilly Offline
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Loc: Phoenix, AZ
The Satellite

The backstory: The cast crank 440 was built 15 years ago by famed Oklahoma Stock/SS racer and engine builder Jimmy Lewis. He put the 66 Satellite together for his son to drive, and it served that purpose for 10 years until he finally gave it back to his Dad. If you know anything about NHRA Stock Eliminator engine builders, well you know that the straight story is never going to be told. So when Dale purchased the car 3 years ago, Jimmy told him, "It's just an old 440 I threw together out of parts I had laying around the shop, it's like a 450 lift crane fireball cam, and honestly I can't believe it's still running!"
Dale had it for a year, and swapped the stock dual plane for an Edelbrock Torker II, leaving the same 700DP in place. He noticed that the 452 heads had the exhaust crossovers filled with aluminum, I noticed when I changed valvecovers, that it had 2 distinctly different looking valve spring sets, sprinkled in randomly on the two heads. If I tried to tell you any other specs about the engine, I'd just be guessing, because we've never been in it!

Ignition: MP Chrome box, Blaster II, MP elect. Dist, Taylor wires.

Fuel system: Stock tank, stock 5/16 line, Holley mechanical street pump, Teed line to N20 fuel solenoid.

Trans: 727 with Transgo #2 Shift kit, 2200 HS stock converter.

Cooling: Champion 22" Aluminum radiator, rigid fan, stock water pump, trans cooler in front.

Rear end: 8 3/4, stock axles, 489 case 3.55 sure grip.

Chassis: stock, Hemi leafs, welded in subframe connectors.

Rolling Stock: 15 X 4 Centerline Convo-Pros with 215/70 radials in front, 15 x 8.5 Centerline Convo-Pros with 255/60 M/T Drag Radials on rear.

Curb Weight: 3715 without driver at Heartland Park Topeka scales.

Power Adder: NOS Big Shot plate

Driver: Billy Gebhart

Class Entered: Daily Driver


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#1515746 - 10/14/13 09:58 PM Re: Drag Week 2013: The Experience [Re: MoparBilly]
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Drag Week 2013: The Build(up)!

Well, I'll pretty much start this out where the above story left off, with all our cars lined up in the pit area of Beech Bend Raceway Park. In order for that picture to happen, Boone already had to snub his compatriots in the Gasser class who were frantically waving at him to pit with them! Seriously, joining the Gasser class is like joining a fraternity, this group of drag weekers are really unique in their whole approach to the game.

After the first Drag Week procedural hurdle with a hard fast deadline, The "You must be in the tech line by 2pm Sunday!", comes the next, and it has caught many newbies off guard in the past. "Your tow rig and extra equipment must be in the impound area, before the start of the Driver's meeting Monday morning!" So we rolled through the gate with a concerted effort and purpose. Our rigs were already in the proper area, we just needed to get all the gear we wanted to take back in the pits behind the cars.
As I was going through our truck, and handing Rachael stuff to put in our Satellite/shuttle, I stared at the spare 727 I had brought. "Rachael, how did the Belvedere shift on your 400 mile drive, and around town here?", I looked at her.
"Like a dream! We didn't have any trouble at all", she assured me.
"Hmm", I thought to myself, "We have 4 727 cars going, but on the other hand, that's a bulky, heavy monster to be loading and unloading every day." In the end, I talked myself out of it, and headed back to our pit. I nearly had the Satellite unloaded when Rachael, Dale, and Darryl pulled up in his truck, with his 16FT open trailer loaded down with stuff! Apparently they decided one big load made more sense than multiple trips. When it was all unloaded into our pit spots, it looked pretty daunting.
"Hope we didn't overdo it!" Boone laughed, "looks like your pack mules are going to get a workout!"
"You're the one who brought a truck", I shot back.
"That's a Thoroughbred, not a Clydesdale, she don't haul leftover parts!" he quipped.
The first call for the Driver's meeting went out. "I told you!" Darryl laughed. We had been discussing that since Hot Rod had scheduled a "Drag Week Car Show" in Indy tonight, they may be antsy to get the race started as early as possible, and it appeared they were doing exactly that, rounding us up 30 minutes earlier than in years past.


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#1515747 - 10/16/13 12:09 AM Re: Drag Week 2013: The Experience [Re: MoparBilly]
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We slowly made our way up to the famous covered bleachers of Beech Bend Raceway Park for the driver's meeting, and I felt that tingle of excitement I get when visiting a track for the first time, this would be the only track on this year's Hot Rod Drag Week that I had never been to before. I walked by Mike (Mr P Body, Moparts), and he was in deep conversation with Mike Sporrong (Swede 4, BangShift), so I decided I'd introduce myself later, but that never materialized, I never saw him the rest of the event!
The announcement was made that 230 cars was the final entry number, against my recorded prediction of 237, so I was pretty close. I also predicted that less than 215 would leave Bowling Green, and I missed low on that one. My third bold prediction was that the Daily Driver quick 32 bump would be 12:37...Just ask Ross (Ross, Moparts)how I did on that one!

Keith Turk broke away when going over the rules, and finally said over the microphone, "Guys, we believe 99.5% of you have integrity, so we are going to honor that integrity as a group", his eyes seem to lock on me (I'm sure it was my imagination), "and let that other .5% be out there, and if they get caught so be it, but we can't worry about them."
I did the math quickly, .5% of 250...roughly 1! He was looking at me! Nah, I was sitting close to Darryl, he must've been looking at Darryl!

Once the meeting finished, we made our way back to our pit spot. The first session would be the class cars for an hour and a half, so I didn't need to worry about the Satellite just yet. I simply concentrated on helping everybody else get ready for their first try of Drag Week, it was crazy to think that Boone and Dale had never even done a burn-out in their respective rides!
I grabbed my trusty Longacre tire guage and made my way through each vehicle, when I got to Darren's Charger, he already had the rear tires off!
"What are you doing now", I asked him.
"The traction bars and springs were still rubbing on the tires, so I have to loosen everything up and re-square it."
"But you drove it 80 miles last night!"
"That was night before last!" Dad interjected with a laugh, "You've already lost one!"
"We had to take the traction bars off when we unloaded it", Darren continued, "That's why I wanted help last night!"
"I had no idea", I apologized, "I thought the grilles and the N20 was all you had left to work on."
Rachael came over to get me, "I'm ready to go up, so you have to come and help me.
"I thought we settled this last year..." I started
"And I haven't been in the car since then, so you need to help me for a pass or two!"

No sooner had we reached the lanes, than the track fell silent, and the clean-up crew went to work. Usually Drag Week carnage begins on Sunday T&T, and the weak links get sorted out before Monday's big start, but with that cancelled, well, we had made it exactly 5 sets in and we were already one boosted Fox body down! I glanced ahead, and realized that Boone, and James had already ushered Dale and the Gremlin into the fray ahead of us.
"What do you think, Boone?"
"10.50?, 10.60 would be a good start...", he tossed out as Dale completed his burn-out and jumped to the line. It left flat, and it didn't have that crisp sound it had just two days earlier. As the Gremlin labored downtrack I looked at Boone, "Not good!"
"Nope", he shook his head as the announcer told us 11.67 at 117, "It's gonna be a long day huh?"
"Yep, sure is!"


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#1515748 - 10/16/13 12:29 AM Re: Drag Week 2013: The Experience [Re: MoparBilly]
jamesc Offline
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The announcement was made that 230 cars was the final entry number, against my recorded prediction of 237, so I was pretty close.




you should have been pretty close, sounds like you had 200 of the cars there
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#1515749 - 10/16/13 10:43 AM Re: Drag Week 2013: The Experience [Re: jamesc]
tsanchez Offline
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Thats funny^^^

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#1515750 - 10/16/13 12:51 PM Re: Drag Week 2013: The Experience [Re: tsanchez]
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Thats funny^^^


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