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Re: ANYone given-up on that .90 racing ? .... [Re: THE GLASS MAN] #1515062
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Did you ever watch the crowd in the grand stands when the .90 cars come to the line? It is like an intermission time and over half of the crowd gets up and goes to the pits or elsewhere. What would keep the crowd in their seats for these classes? Flat out racing?




Who cares....I don't race for fans....and obviously since the .90 guys are paying for thier fare share and more NHRA doesn't care either. Personally I think watching FC and TF gets boring after awhile.....they don't even look like the cars they are modeled after. And it gets old watching SS cars do wheelies too.

As far as driving the car the .90 classes have some of the best racers..thats a fact. Most of these other classes you can win with a .060 light if you can drive straight..

Go get a hot dog when the .90 guys come out...I assure you we really don't care if you are watching or not..


5.53 @ 125 1/8th on the launch control..more left in her!

Re: ANYone given-up on that .90 racing ? .... [Re: THE GLASS MAN] #1515063
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Did you ever watch the crowd in the grand stands when the .90 cars come to the line? It is like an intermission time and over half of the crowd gets up and goes to the pits or elsewhere. What would keep the crowd in their seats for these classes? Flat out racing?




The first time I seen it I didn't know where everyone was going. Then I seen a couple throttle stop cars go down the track and I knew why.
They shouldn't allow throttle stops and then the class would be more like a real race.
Bracket racing is what killed the interest in drag racing. Drag racing nationwide was more popular than NASCAR when I was a kid. Bracket racing isn't racing. I agree its fun but not in the spirit of racing where the goal is to run as fast as you can run.

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Did you ever watch the crowd in the grand stands when the .90 cars come to the line? It is like an intermission time and over half of the crowd gets up and goes to the pits or elsewhere. What would keep the crowd in their seats for these classes? Flat out racing?




The first time I seen it I didn't know where everyone was going. Then I seen a couple throttle stop cars go down the track and I knew why.
They shouldn't allow throttle stops and then the class would be more like a real race.
Bracket racing is what killed the interest in drag racing. Drag racing nationwide was more popular than NASCAR when I was a kid. Bracket racing isn't racing. I agree its fun but not in the spirit of racing where the goal is to run as fast as you can run.






I give up... ...yep..run what you brung...he with the most money wins. See how many guys you get at the track after awhile...gets boring losing to the fastest car all the time.


5.53 @ 125 1/8th on the launch control..more left in her!

Re: ANYone given-up on that .90 racing ? .... [Re: Eric] #1515065
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Did you ever watch the crowd in the grand stands when the .90 cars come to the line? It is like an intermission time and over half of the crowd gets up and goes to the pits or elsewhere. What would keep the crowd in their seats for these classes? Flat out racing?




The first time I seen it I didn't know where everyone was going. Then I seen a couple throttle stop cars go down the track and I knew why.
They shouldn't allow throttle stops and then the class would be more like a real race.
Bracket racing is what killed the interest in drag racing. Drag racing nationwide was more popular than NASCAR when I was a kid. Bracket racing isn't racing. I agree its fun but not in the spirit of racing where the goal is to run as fast as you can run.






I give up... ...yep..run what you brung...he with the most money wins. See how many guys you get at the track after awhile...gets boring losing to the fastest car all the time.





Wow some folks just don't get it...and never will.

Re: ANYone given-up on that .90 racing ? .... [Re: Eric] #1515066
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I give up... ...yep..run what you brung...he with the most money wins. See how many guys you get at the track after awhile...gets boring losing to the fastest car all the time.




In some of the heads up classes, its not only a matter of the deepest pockets, its also favoritism when they modify rules to penalize one brand of car and reward another... go look at HotStreet

Re: ANYone given-up on that .90 racing ? .... [Re: Jeepmon] #1515067
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I ran 10.90 for 10 years and gave it up in 2003 for the following reasons:

1. Both local tracks gave up their divisional races. Edgewater race moved to St. Louis, Tri-State switched from IHRA to NHRA. Columbus race moved to Norwalk. Went from having 5-6 events 100 miles or less from home to only 1 at Indy.
2. Entry fees during that time went from $60 to $120, purse money stayed the same.
3. They used to run a gambler race or super shootout on saturday night, along with TAD and TAFC qualifying to attract fans. They pared it down over time so that now you get 2 time runs friday, 2 time runs saturday, then run eliminations sunday. I was told by Redman that NHRA wanted all activities finished for the day by 5:00 PM to save on worker pay. I know there are exceptions such as Norwalk where they run funny cars and have fireworks and pack the stands, but the majority of the races have no spectators.
4. Revenue enhancement rules such as engine diapers and fire pants required in 10.90, not required for 10-second Stockers and S/S's.

Overall I love the format of heads-up pro tree racing but these changes over the years have run off most of the racers. There used to be a large contingent of .90 class racers in this area, most now bracket race or quit.

Re: ANYone given-up on that .90 racing ? .... [Re: HOTMOPR] #1515068
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Was once dream of mine to run super gas. I cant deal with the way it is now. Plus I can afford it Pretty much need a pro stock car and a throttle stop.




I dont feel this is the case to be able to be competative in s/g, while the norm these days (at least in nhra) is to have a s/g car run 160-170 mph on the stop, you don't have to go that fast to win, you have to know what you car is capable of and play the game, practice and seat time make you good, there are plenty of bad a** s/g drivers out there running mid 140's and winning, also .90 racing is alive and well up here in the northeast, we have 2 series for 10.90 and 9.90 that have great payouts, and get very good car counts with some of the toughest racing I have seen, they are the TNT superseries for 10.90 and the western new york 9.90 series, both well run

Re: ANYone given-up on that .90 racing ? .... [Re: wafflebatter] #1515069
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My buddy runs this 68 Cuda in the 10.90 SuperStreet class. If you notice you dont have alot of repeat winners because its so hard to win and very competitive. He has won 2 big events at Maple Grove in PA and when I hear his lites and how he won I know you have to be real good and maybe even have the luck that day. I not really a big fan of it but I respect how hard them classes are to win. I always wonder how the .90 classes would be if they said no throttle stops. I bet that would be very hard to win. Ron


Re: ANYone given-up on that .90 racing ? .... [Re: 383man] #1515070
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DOES anyone remember the GatorNats way back when ....when they FIRST RAN Super Gas ? ...

There were about 120 cars going for a 64 car field ... guess what the BUMP was ?

Re: ANYone given-up on that .90 racing ? .... [Re: Challenger 1] #1515071
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Your giving up? and you haven't even started yet? Why don't you race your mini van with a 440 in the bozo class?




Chilly1 ....WHY do you insist on coming after me ... and then you wind up with EGG ...or something else .... all over your face ?

WHAT does that Caravan project have ANYTHING TO DO with this topic HERE ? ... I have never had a .90 car and this Caravan was not being considered for that ...as far as I was concerned.

And you think that me considering a project like this is a BOZO CLASS ? Are you THIS totally-clueless and completely blind to the history and survival of Chrysler Corp ? .... If it was not for the minivan ... Chrysler would have been dead-and-buried in the late 80's ...

And as far as me actually doing the project ? ... IF I found a chassis shop that would do the TWO 2000 Grand Caravans reasonably(it is not a complex project) .. I would deliver both of them to them before I left from northern MI.

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5.53 @ 125 1/8th on the launch control..more left in her!

Re: ANYone given-up on that .90 racing ? .... [Re: Eric] #1515073
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Here you go....

http://motormaniatv.com/?page_id=529




It's the throttle stop and the electronics that ruin the class for me.
The first time my 5 year old seen this class I think it took me a day to explain to him why the cars weren't going when the light turned green. He just couldn't understand. He kept asking why aren't they going?
I might run some 10.00 index races. There you got to get the car to run the number without electronic help. It's more of a heads up race. Foot brake only.

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DOES anyone remember the GatorNats way back when ....when they FIRST RAN Super Gas ? ...

There were about 120 cars going for a 64 car field ... guess what the BUMP was ?


I don't remeber NHRA limiting any of the sportsman class entry at any NHRA event, national or divisional races,until well after the entrys in both S.G and S.C would be well above 130 cars per class I can remember S.G at the Winternationals in the late 1980 being way over 120 cars, They may have started limiting the total entrys around 1995 or later to the first 120 cars but they took the entry money at the races for well over that amount of cars. Those classes made the SS, Stock and Comp. eliminator racers look like no one wanted to race those classes anymore
Do you remember the Import series? How about Pro Stock Trucks? I can remember the loss of interest in running Top Fuel by NHRA when multiple events had less than the 16 cars entered in the 16 car field Doess that sound familar

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does anyone actually think Doc will ever do any kind of racing?

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Here you go....

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It's the throttle stop and the electronics that ruin the class for me.
The first time my 5 year old seen this class I think it took me a day to explain to him why the cars weren't going when the light turned green. He just couldn't understand. He kept asking why aren't they going?
I might run some 10.00 index races. There you got to get the car to run the number without electronic help. It's more of a heads up race. Foot brake only.





It's a good thing they have plenty of classes for you to enjoy.


5.53 @ 125 1/8th on the launch control..more left in her!

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C B ..... Don't remember the year but it was the first year that SG was run at the Gators .... I still have the final qualifying sheet somewhere ....

Qt .... eventually I will be but only if the money is decent on the brackets. I was considering that 27T car for sst and SG but based on what I know now ...I think I will pass on that. No $$$$ in brackets ? ... I might just keep that FED I have just fit test and tune ...

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C B ..... Don't remember the year but it was the first year that SG was run at the Gators .... I still have the final qualifying sheet somewhere ....

Qt .... eventually I will be but only if the money is decent on the brackets. I was considering that 27T car for sst and SG but based on what I know now ...I think I will pass on that. No $$$$ in brackets ? ... I might just keep that FED I have just fit test and tune ...


not sure i understand what you are saying. if you are planning on winning money in any class forget about it.

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C B ..... Don't remember the year but it was the first year that SG was run at the Gators .... I still have the final qualifying sheet somewhere ....






MF, I remeber that. Was back in '82 or '83. My buddy won the Division 1 S/G title back in '82 and he drove down to the Gators AND drove back as he didn't qualify.

I'm not going to knock it, but I really loved S/G back then. But going 9's in a door car was FAST. And the few door cars that ran S/C, 8.X back then...



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I don't see myself ever running the class but I watch it. I usually exit the stands when motorcycles run.

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I don`t see were bracket racing killed drag racing it allowed people that don`t have big budgets to compete in almost any type of car. Thats thousands of people paying / contributing to NHRA not to mention keeping race tracks open sure they aren`t a big spectator draw but there are thousands of bracket racers around the country competing every week. I really like Stock and Super /Stock but financially its out of my reach so I bracket race and might try heads up racing next year. I give the 90s class drivers a lot of credit it might not be appealing but it takes a lot of skill. A close friend of mine, a former Super/Comp and successful bracket racer tried running Super/ Street a year or so ago in a friends car and found out how hard it really was, he wasn`t too successful


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