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I have started the resto on my demon and haven't decided on a paint brand yet. I want to stay with the local suppliers so that's ppg and DuPont. I want to go base clear and obviously want to stay one brand from start to finish.

out of DuPont and ppg what do you guys prefer? its a original gy3 car and going back to it. which line is you favorite? money isn't a huge issue as long as the quality is there.

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PPG gets my vote all day long............


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I like PPG products.

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it's PPG for me too but honestly can tell you as a master certified PPG painter who's used them probably 85% of my career which started in 1992. I would also go with Transtar. I know that will get othes feathers ruffled up but currently I use only Transtar clears as I get the same results if not better and seen them last as long as the PPG clears at half the cost. I've been using Transtar clears I bet since 2000/01. Not had an issue at all with coming off DBC basecoat. Not seen it fade. Boss just junked out his daughters 96 mercury sable we built for her in 97. It had PPG 2020 or 2021 clear on it. It was so faded on the hood & I never scuffed or buffed it. Put 3 coats on it. So I got euro classic on my every day car that sits out side never gets waxed and still has a shine after 8 years does that say anything with it sitting in or outside all year long in south Dakota? Just food for thought.


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Re: paint questions/ opinions [Re: hotairballoonpilot] #1497235
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so ppg sounds the way to go. looking on their site there is a ton of options though. what brand among ppg?
my paint rep is just going to sell me on the one they have the most of in the warehouse so I would like to show up knowing what I need.

Re: paint questions/ opinions [Re: chrisf] #1497236
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Are you doing this in your garage? I'm guessing so.

If going from bare metal I'd go with metal prep DX 579 then DPLF 50 Primer(gray) with DPLF 401. Surfacer nice user friendly would be K36 that way if you have any left over in either the DPLF or k36 you can use one or the other as a sealer depending on topcoat color all though you can tint the k36 with basecoat w/o dbx1689. If you want to buy a seperate sealer I'd go with the DAS V sealers in either gray white or black as they lay down really nice. Color I'd go with DBC basecoat if it's a metallic then a nice user friendly clears are DCU 2002 or 2021. If its a solid color I'd go with DCC Concept and put one of the above clears in final coat. Naturally the reducers & hardner on basecoat and clears will vary depending on your spraying conditions/shop. Overall hardner for both clears Is DCX 61 and basecoat ,clears,concept,sealers be it DPLF or k36 or DAS and k36 as the surfacer all use the DT reducers. Reducers range from very quick to very slow drying. 860,870 885,895,898. Rule of thumb is last numbers give you a general temp area they work best in. Good overall is 885 as it dries nice but doesn't skin over so quick that it traps the tail solvents in. The really slow ones 895&898 are very slow tail solvents. Use to be they said we could combine them like take 870&895 and come up with 885 but now they say you get a fast front dryer with really slow tail solvents which can bite you in the butt. Just remember if you are doing this in the garage to really allow extra flash times as you wont have the air flow drawing solvents out like you would if being shot in a booth. Be prepared to drop a couple grand or more it's not cheap! I've seen a gallon of DBC run me over a grand alone. Figure gallon of DPLF couple hundred,k36 same,reducers my cost are just under 60 a gallon,DCX qrts are over 125. Clears are 225-250 gallon. Concept seen that 500-800 or more a gallon. I'd get a complete quote b4 you belly up to the bar. Best guess on amounts. Gallon DPLF,2 qrts DPLF 401 start with gallon k36(more if got a lot of priming/blocking/body work) qrt hardner for k36,2 qrts sealer qrt hardner for sealer,gallon DBC (2qrts in a gallon can each so you can add 2 qrts reducer to have two gallons spray able. Gallon clear with qrt hardner. Figure 2 gallons reducers. Will you have some product left over yes but if you say buy 3 qrts DBC it will be pretty darn close to gallon price( buy in bulk thinking) same goes for your primers and clears too.

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Re: paint questions/ opinions [Re: hotairballoonpilot] #1497237
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great info thanks! we rent a 4000' body shop but just use it to play cars in. I have a painter for my business and going to have him do the majority of the work. but because he knows what "dodge guys" are like (his words) he says for me to do the legwork and he will do whatever I need.

(1/2 the shop is a 70x30 downdraft booth)

Re: paint questions/ opinions [Re: chrisf] #1497238
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Go with PPG

Re: paint questions/ opinions [Re: hotairballoonpilot] #1497239
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Are you doing this in your garage? I'm guessing so.

If going from bare metal I'd go with metal prep DX 579 then DPLF 50 Primer(gray) with DPLF 401. Surfacer nice user friendly would be K36 that way if you have any left over in either the DPLF or k36 you can use one or the other as a sealer depending on topcoat color all though you can tint the k36 with basecoat w/o dbx1689. If you want to buy a seperate sealer I'd go with the DAS V sealers in either gray white or black as they lay down really nice. Color I'd go with DBC basecoat if it's a metallic then a nice user friendly clears are DCU 2002 or 2021. If its a solid color I'd go with DCC Concept and put one of the above clears in final coat. Naturally the reducers & hardner on basecoat and clears will vary depending on your spraying conditions/shop. Overall hardner for both clears Is DCX 61 and basecoat ,clears,concept,sealers be it DPLF or k36 or DAS and k36 as the surfacer all use the DT reducers. Reducers range from very quick to very slow drying. 860,870 885,895,898. Rule of thumb is last numbers give you a general temp area they work best in. Good overall is 885 as it dries nice but doesn't skin over so quick that it traps the tail solvents in. The really slow ones 895&898 are very slow tail solvents. Use to be they said we could combine them like take 870&895 and come up with 885 but now they say you get a fast front dryer with really slow tail solvents which can bite you in the butt. Just remember if you are doing this in the garage to really allow extra flash times as you wont have the air flow drawing solvents out like you would if being shot in a booth. Be prepared to drop a couple grand or more it's not cheap! I've seen a gallon of DBC run me over a grand alone. Figure gallon of DPLF couple hundred,k36 same,reducers my cost are just under 60 a gallon,DCX qrts are over 125. Clears are 225-250 gallon. Concept seen that 500-800 or more a gallon. I'd get a complete quote b4 you belly up to the bar. Best guess on amounts. Gallon DPLF,2 qrts DPLF 401 start with gallon k36(more if got a lot of priming/blocking/body work) qrt hardner for k36,2 qrts sealer qrt hardner for sealer,gallon DBC (2qrts in a gallon can each so you can add 2 qrts reducer to have two gallons spray able. Gallon clear with qrt hardner. Figure 2 gallons reducers. Will you have some product left over yes but if you say buy 3 qrts DBC it will be pretty darn close to gallon price( buy in bulk thinking) same goes for your primers and clears too.

Best of luck




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Re: paint questions/ opinions [Re: hotairballoonpilot] #1497240
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Great info Hotair, this should be saved to the "best of".

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Great info Hotair, this should be saved to the "best of".

Sheldon




Oh don't listen to me I've just sniffed to much paint and propane fumes I don't know what I'm talking about!

All kidding aside thanks! I'm suprised it makes sense as I typed it out late last night after work.


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Re: paint questions/ opinions [Re: hotairballoonpilot] #1497242
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makes sense to me thanks for taking the time it will save me hours on research

also. whats the love in the car hobby for dp90?

Re: paint questions/ opinions [Re: chrisf] #1497243
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I started using SPI epoxy and I like it. Half the cost of ppg and it sands better also. Mixed at 50/50, so half the cost and almost twice as much product.

As far as paint, I usually use Dupont Chromabase. I used to use ppg, but can't get it locally anymore. I can't say I prefer one or the other, but I've been happy with dupont. I like the base better myself, 1 gallon makes 2 sprayable gallons when mixed... enough to do an entire car including inside/jambs.

Having used both for 20 years or so now. I can't really say one is better than the other. Both are good paints and people tend to like one or the other.


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Excellent post, Hotair! Like you, we use those same PPG products in our restoration shop, and have excellent results. I did go from the 2021 to 2002 clear for a smoother top coat. I also use a pinch of DX57 in my base on occasion.
I was a faithful DuPont user during my lacquer days of the 70's to late 80's, then switched to PPG. Been with it ever since.

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[quoteI know that will get othes feathers ruffled up but currently I use only Transtar




Ive used lots of Transtar. I like the primers as well.

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I started using SPI epoxy and I like it. Half the cost of ppg and it sands better also. Mixed at 50/50, so half the cost and almost twice as much product.

As far as paint, I usually use Dupont Chromabase. I used to use ppg, but can't get it locally anymore. I can't say I prefer one or the other, but I've been happy with dupont. I like the base better myself, 1 gallon makes 2 sprayable gallons when mixed... enough to do an entire car including inside/jambs.

Having used both for 20 years or so now. I can't really say one is better than the other. Both are good paints and people tend to like one or the other.




SPI is all I use for primers and clear. Though PPG and Dupont are easliy available at the local jobber, Pro Spray is a less expensive (but still quality) option as well.


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Another reason to steer clear of Dupont is the fact that they recently sold their paint division to Carlisle group. They are in the process of changing the name to Axalta coatings. I have used Dupont products almost exclusively my whole life. Recently when I went to my local jobber to get some products, I was told they are phasing some products out. So what is available now may very well not be available in a couple of months. I am actually considering switching to PPG myself.

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Paint companies ALL want you to believe they have this or that line exclusively and their products are better. Trueth be told they get the majority of their resins and pigments from the same main jobber then package it themselves. Plus take PPG. For example. Shopline is their value line correct then they have Omni line. Shopline is only sold by their platinum jobbers while the Omni line is the jobbers that might sell sikens or DuPont or what ever other line. They put different numbers on the labels but use the same cans or bottles for both. Plus there even are items that are in the deltron line that are in the shopline line. Example is the DX 84 enhancer. Comes in a brown glass bottle. Shopline number excapes me at the moment but comes in the same bottle smells the same has the same mixing ratio but labeled for the shopline. It always seems they have a great product it gets canned but then 6 months to a year or more they come out with a new product that functions basically the same usually smells pretty darn close to the same but is more $. Take the DPLX epoxy primer line. Great product. About 8-10 years ago I did a 62 ford. Unibody truck for a guy. At that time a parts house was trying to get us to switch from PPG to Valspar. They talked me into using this new epoxy Valspar had. It was a 2-1-1 ratio. Direct to metal,filled close to like a surfacer,powdered like a surfacer but didn't sand like an epoxy,had this true 7 day window. Said it would work great on the inside of this box as it had some deeper rust pits after we sandblasted it. I wasn't looking forward to priming and blocking the inside if this box. Well I spray the DPLX 48 and I'd bet pretty darn near the same product. You just have to take these paint companies sometimes with a grain of salt.


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Another reason to steer clear of Dupont is the fact that they recently sold their paint division to Carlisle group. They are in the process of changing the name to Axalta coatings. I have used Dupont products almost exclusively my whole life. Recently when I went to my local jobber to get some products, I was told they are phasing some products out. So what is available now may very well not be available in a couple of months. I am actually considering switching to PPG myself.




That explains why my paint place couldn't get the interior dye or dash paint for our GTX! I thought it was really weird that they couldn't get the stuff to mix it up.







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