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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: amxautox]
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12/23/13 02:50 AM
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Wait for the 15, its supposedly gonna get a mid year jump in hp to 470.
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
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12/23/13 03:06 AM
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Wait for the 15, its supposedly gonna get a mid year jump in hp to 470.
I'm more excited about the Twin Turbo 4 banger, lol. Imagine the weight loss....
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
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http://www.mantellmotorsport.com/302V8InstallKit.aspxThat weight loss argument isn't resonating with the MG peeps that are running V8's that add 60# to the nose over the stock 4 bangers. As much as I like the twin turbo V6 with 355 hp in the family Ford Flex I own.......I prefer to haveva V8 in the Mustang. Time is on my side if I decide on a 2014....Ford will be eager to dump the 14's and push the 50th anniversary cars. Those V8 MG's are in the 2000# range and look like a blast to 
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
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12/23/13 02:06 PM
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15 also gets IRS.
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
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03/31/14 01:06 PM
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***bringing the thread back up top***
I just finished a Mustang Roundup road racing weekend at TWS. This was my third two day weekend at an HPDE.
My run group included:
-at least 3 new Shelby gt500's
-at least 2 new Laguna seca's
-a few new ford mustang gt's
-a couple c5's (one was z06 I believe)
-s2000
-a stock 4.6 car on Hoosiers
-C7 corvette
The duster ran great all weekend. Passed all but one of the cars listed, and I was not passed by anyone in my run group (group 2= 2-6 track days qualification). The fastest competition in the group was a well driven new Shelby that stayed with me for a lap before I was able to pull away (last session on day 2).
The old Mopars are very capable. One thing that has been said numerous times that is starting to become even more evident to me- driver improvement is by far the biggest delta that needs improvement. I'm starting to think that the difference in potential between a new mustang and my duster is negligible. Reliability and minimal need for service is a clear advantage of the mustang, though.
Further, I believe (agreeing with most of you) the current mustang platform is superior to the current Camaro and challenger. And the 5.0 coyote is very impressive- my instructor put one in his r-compound stripped '97 mustang- wow that was a fun ride.
I would love to see more Mopar guys build their Mopars to compete with the new mustangs vs sell them to buy a new mustang. It is indeed possible if you don't mind the upkeep and dialing in your specific combo.
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-'73 Duster, 6.1 based 392 hilborn hemi, tko600, full floater rear 9", Hellwig custom bars, viper brakes, built for road course
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
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04/01/14 08:26 AM
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Further, I believe (agreeing with most of you) the current mustang platform is superior to the current Camaro and challenger. And the 5.0 coyote is very impressive- my instructor put one in his r-compound stripped '97 mustang- wow that was a fun ride.
the only downside is how big that motor is
I'm just glad there are mopar guys out there now who wanna do more with their cars than just drag race or show n shine
Its big, but its light.... 425lbs, ish. Its a bit smaller than its 4.6DOHC cousin. They're also pretty short. It gets compared a lot to the 426 Hemi in size, but its much shorter in length, probably much shorter in height too if i had to guess.
Coyote swaps into SN95 (94-8) Mustangs are sick. Coyote swaps into Fox-bodies are outright insane. My 70 Challenger with a Coyote swap would weigh about the same as a Fox body..... Hmmm...
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
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Further, I believe (agreeing with most of you) the current mustang platform is superior to the current Camaro and challenger. And the 5.0 coyote is very impressive- my instructor put one in his r-compound stripped '97 mustang- wow that was a fun ride.
the only downside is how big that motor is
I'm just glad there are mopar guys out there now who wanna do more with their cars than just drag race or show n shine
Its big, but its light.... 425lbs, ish. Its a bit smaller than its 4.6DOHC cousin. They're also pretty short. It gets compared a lot to the 426 Hemi in size, but its much shorter in length, probably much shorter in height too if i had to guess.
Coyote swaps into SN95 (94-8) Mustangs are sick. Coyote swaps into Fox-bodies are outright insane. My 70 Challenger with a Coyote swap would weigh about the same as a Fox body..... Hmmm...
The natural pairing would be a Coyote and the Road Runner
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
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100hp per liter without even touching the inside of the engine, what a great era this has been for engines.
Mopar to the bone!!!
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
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100hp per liter without even touching the inside of the engine, what a great era this has been for engines.
X2 just when we thought adding 1/2" of cranckshaft throw to a big block was the way to go now these smaller engines are laying down some HP on pump gas and all the accessories bolted up.
So where is all the power from? Cylinder head technology and fuel injection programming...what else is making these engines more efficient than the predecessors? (70's era)
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
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04/01/14 09:24 PM
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I have been driving a coyote now for a couple of years and I have to say it's the best engine ever to come out of Detroit. I just love how the thing pulls out into the stratosphere.
That orange cobra is a sick looking road race car with 443 hp to the wheels on a stock engine it must haul.
A new iron curtain drawn across the 49th parallel
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
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04/01/14 09:27 PM
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Lots of things together IMO
Piston coatings
Compact ring packages
VVT
Cylinder head design
Combustion chamber design
and last but not least, Direct Injection.
Mopar to the bone!!!
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