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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar *DELETED* [Re: dannysbee] #1494486
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I ran by a certified scale today and weighed the track pack and it weighed 3750 with me on board. 3520 with me out of the car. I was pleasantly surprised. That was with about 1/8 tank of fuel.


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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar *DELETED* [Re: dannysbee] #1494487
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That is a 250# weight savings over my B body.
And a 600# savings over the current Chally...


Now to get the four corner weights and the balance of weight % on the f/r l/r on the Mustang.

Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar *DELETED* [Re: PHJ426] #1494488
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Like was said before the Boss is kinda gaudy with the stripes and that will become like a T/A and AAR of days gone by.....

If you want something to drive just get a stripped out Base GT with the track package and the Recaro seats. I have seen those list for 32K new on Ebag.


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Heh... the T/A is my favorite Mopar!

Understood, but what I said before was that the main draw for the Boss was the engine. For me, more than enough difference to justify the rest ov the car. Plus, i'm guessing there is still more to the full suspension/brake system on the Boss than even the best optioned GT track pack.

Though, if i were buying new and had the option, i'd get a plain jane stock black Boss... no gimmicks and no stripes. Make a 2013 Boss-Nine if you will...

I'd still rather put it all in a nice clean 98 Cobra body though. Save some weight, simplify it a TON, and go quite a bit faster. There's more than enough aftermarket on SN95's to bring up the suspension and brakes to Boss standards.

Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar *DELETED* [Re: Pale_Roader] #1494489
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http://dirtyhipporacing.com/2013/02/21/ford-mustang-track-pack-dissected-by-part-number/

Looks like the track pack gets most of the parts of the Boss sans intake cams forged internals and tune.

Another link shows the difference in spring rates vs different packages from the Secretariat to The Boss 302.

http://www.brembo50.com/Default.aspx?pageId=1130035

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Ford will sell you a Mustang body in white for around $12k. I'm not even sure if that is a rolling chassis per say as it may be on casters for shipping, and it certainly lacks all comfort features, electronics, and everything else on the car for that matter.

The whole point of the offering was for privateer construction of psuedo Cobra Jets for NHRA, but the premise is the same for a road track car.

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I don't think most that are posting are looking to build a car from scratch. I was looking for a car I could get in and have fun driving. Take to some track days and auto-x's to learn that side of auto sports as it is something I have always wanted to do. I also will take the car to the drag strip as I will be interested in how I and the car will perform there. My first mod will be a Barton shifter. Hopefully I will get to try it out at the muscle car club challenge this weekend.


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No, I imagine most posting here are not interested in building a Mustang from scratch. If your going to do that, then start with your classic Mopar.

I just found it interesting the Ford Racing is so interested in supporting the enthusiast, that they even offer such a critter. Now, they do not come with a vin # and you have to fill out an application and present racing credentials to get approved to even buy one, but, it is just one more tick in the Ford column for enthusiasts support.

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That is what makes Ford successful today. They offer any configuration you can imagine and let you decide. If Dodge had a Challenger with 600lbs less fat this thread wouldnt exist.


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Wait for the 2015 Mustang which will be about 400 pounds lighter - amazing car!

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If Dodge had a Challenger with 600lbs less fat this thread wouldnt exist.



Are you suggesting the Challanger is a superior car except for the extra 600 pounds? That is debatable IMHO.

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If Dodge had a Challenger with 600lbs less fat this thread wouldnt exist.



Are you suggesting the Challanger is a superior car except for the extra 600 pounds? That is debatable IMHO.


Im saying then at least the Mopar guys woud have something to work with.


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I would have bought the Challenger even with the extra weight but the price with taxes from a Mustang GT to a SRT8 Challenger was almost 15 grand in Canada, for 2 cars with similar performance.


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Im saying then at least the Mopar guys woud have something to work with.




Not if you look at how Ford and the aftermarket supports the Mustang compared to Dodge and aftermarket support for the Challenger.


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Im saying then at least the Mopar guys woud have something to work with.




Not if you look at how Ford and the aftermarket supports the Mustang compared to Dodge and aftermarket support for the Challenger.




But, that has ALWAYS been an issue and most of us here still own Mopars...Like I said earlier, we had good results with a very low-buck A-body that might see the light of day again. This time with more horsepower and better suspension/brake components, but what we had worked well enough to at least be competitive autocrossing with an iron headed big block...

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Agreed just look at companies that sell modified cars from the factory showroom floor.....
Steeda, Roush, Saleen, Shelby.

Then on top of that are the volume of manufacturers supporting the aftermarket equipment that even allows you to run a 315 tire on all 4 corners of a Mustang try that without heavily modifying a new Challenger.

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But, that has ALWAYS been an issue and most of us here still own Mopars...Like I said earlier, we had good results with a very low-buck A-body that might see the light of day again. This time with more horsepower and better suspension/brake components, but what we had worked well enough to at least be competitive autocrossing with an iron headed big block...




True, but back in the day you didn't need a computer programming degree to tune the drivetrain. Today you do and support in that front is thin for us. It is getting to the point that you cannot tinker with the new stuff like you could the old. You can buy a package already setup by someone with the money to dig into the computers to make it work, but good luck doing it on your own.

Which means that the popular platforms get the assets thrown at it and the lesser platforms don't,or you get one supplier who has no competition to hold down costs, or drive quality.

Add that Ford has a history of working with aftermarket companies and Chrysler has the opposite history and we have what we have.


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Ford Works with the Aftermarket on engine management and vehicle packaging they know which side there bread is buttered on, tuning with a canned program via a programmer from SCT or Diablo is very easy.

Until recently Chrysler engine management was a big secret and they allowed access for certain aftermarket suppliers what I understand Diablo was close to hacking it anyway.

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If Dodge had a Challenger with 600lbs less fat this thread wouldnt exist.



Are you suggesting the Challanger is a superior car except for the extra 600 pounds? That is debatable IMHO.




No, but it would be one helluva start. Would you race that Mustang with two 300lb guys sitting in the back seat? No chance. Its not just the weight. I happen to like the new Challenger's looks, just not its size. If you could shrink it in every dimension about 5-10% (just guessing here) and make it a normal sized car, with the weight savings, well that would be one hell ov a start.

By the way, whatever happened to the new Challenger body-in-white or track pack (i forget) car? The one with the factory T/A hood, white car, 600lbs removed, etc. That was a drag car, yes?

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Yes, the Challenger Drag Pack was targeted towards NHRA Stock and Super Stock classes only. Much like the Mustang Cobra Jets.

So its safe to say the new Mustang does not get the same bad rap for its grill layout that 72-74 Challengers have?

New Shelby



Challenger



Even the early Shelby grills don't get the same stigma as the Challengers and they are almost identical.


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Great analogy two 300 hundred pounders in the back seat would certainly
take some some snappiness out of the car

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