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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar *DELETED*
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Actually Tom Quad was one of the first guys on the board I looked to for suggestions. Tom has been there and done that in many Mopars. Tom and I chatted on the phone and PM's here about the things he has done to the Charger to make it fast. When Tom posted about the Black N Blue running Hot Laps at Watkins Glen.... he actually made me start thinking... Quote from Tom below: Quote:
PM me with any questions.
I did an after flight health check on the charger this morning. All is well, no surprises underneath, the brake cooling worked fantastic, the pads on the front were only 1/2 used. The front rotors show wear, but nice and even.
According to the "hot laps" driver, the brakes never showed fade even when the instructor was having him push the car hard, hitting 120 mph on the back straight every lap. Remember large fat heavy car. So much for huge brakes being needed...
A good number of new mustangs were flogged, they were very fast and fun, not overweight, large and bulky like a challenger... have you driven a ford lately?
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar *DELETED*
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I actually learned a few things about the newer Mustangs since this thread started. No need to get the fancy Boss 302 or other variants .... They offer a package called "The Track Package" comes with Brembo 4 piston calipers, Boss 302 radiator, 3.73 torsen rear axle Boss differential cover and a couple other components.
Ahhh, but you miss an important part here... The engine. The Boss has a much better engine than the GT. Same plant, same size, but forged internals, better intake, more power, and quite a few more details. Granted, not a lot more power than a brand new ('13-up) GT, but a better suited engine to high-RPM abuse than the stocker. I'd buy a Boss solely for that 444HP 5.0L. Will it be worth the extra coin to everyone? no, again, like everything else in this thread, intended usage will determine. Also, being Mopar guys i'm sure i dont have to mention the bonus ov having a more valuable/exclusive car... should you decide to keep it forever or sell it down the road.
Personally, i'd be kinda torn on the looks... I like the Boss design, definitely looks mean, but i also like simple and understated... which, the Boss certainly is not.
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar *DELETED*
[Re: ThermoQuad]
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Do the math
Can you build an e body for $43,000.00 to do that??
Some could, but they have owned their E-body since 1979 when they were still considered a $500 POS rattle-trap rusty Mopar by the general public and not a friggin inflated-overpriced , over or under restored collectable. That flavor of the year mustang might be the ultimate bad-azz to most sheeple but it's still the official ride of Sarah Jessica Horse face type secretaries all over the USA.
 Pity the poor Mopar Fool who has his EGO crushed by the secretaries king of the cars.  Is there a class where old mopars compete against the new Mustangs ? Only here on MOFARTS !
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar *DELETED*
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I actually learned a few things about the newer Mustangs since this thread started. No need to get the fancy Boss 302 or other variants .... They offer a package called "The Track Package" comes with Brembo 4 piston calipers, Boss 302 radiator, 3.73 torsen rear axle Boss differential cover and a couple other components.
Ahhh, but you miss an important part here... The engine. The Boss has a much better engine than the GT. Same plant, same size, but forged internals, better intake, more power, and quite a few more details. Granted, not a lot more power than a brand new ('13-up) GT, but a better suited engine to high-RPM abuse than the stocker. I'd buy a Boss solely for that 444HP 5.0L. Will it be worth the extra coin to everyone? no, again, like everything else in this thread, intended usage will determine. Also, being Mopar guys i'm sure i dont have to mention the bonus ov having a more valuable/exclusive car... should you decide to keep it forever or sell it down the road.
Personally, i'd be kinda torn on the looks... I like the Boss design, definitely looks mean, but i also like simple and understated... which, the Boss certainly is not.
I concur on the strength of the forged internals and the bling of the Boss stickers.
There are simple bolt on mods that make the track pack GT accomodate 315 series tires on all 4 corners.......just wait until the secretaries figure that out......
It really comes down to learning the car and driving... 
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Sounds like Mcracer might want to take a mustang to the test. I'm game. If it makes you feel any better i will let the wife drive.
If I'm ever down in Texas I'll look you up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afMw1drrSVM My Duster is slower than a V6 mustang, OH NO I CAN'T LIVE WITH MYSELF ! You've already won.... 
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The boss, drag pack debate will be a never ending also. Here are the reasons I decided on the drag pack. 1. If I had bought a boss I would have been hesitant to mod the car because of the limited numbers. 2. I would have tried to limit the miles. 3. I would have been a lot less likely to drive the car as it was intended and just generally have fun with it.
As it is I got a track pack gt one of plenty. Do as I please and no guilty conscience. Plus I saved over 10 grand. It was a win win for me.
Getting old just means you were smarter than some and luckier than others.
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I live nw of ft. Worth. I have no experience on a road coarse but I have a helmet and would love to put my car on a track win lose or draw. If my work schedule allows I will try to make it. Any suggestions on what I need to do to my stock track pack stang to prepare for a track outing.
Getting old just means you were smarter than some and luckier than others.
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I have been looking into what I will be doing to a track pack Mustang when I get it...based on conversations with Mike Musto and reading from what other's have posted. Fresh oil and filter change. Ford has a brake cooling setup here: http://www.americanmuscle.com/frpp-boss-brakeduct-kit-1112-install.htmlA fresh set of Hawk HPS10 or compatible to your liking brake pads and new rotors follow the proper brake pad bedding in procedure from Hawk or the manufacturer you choose as well. Stainless steel brake lines up front that improve brake pedal feel? Not totally necessary for first time out but they would be good along with the other brake improvements here. A track friendly brake fluid. Like RBS 600 by Motul. I have also heard this is a good fluid to use in the hydraulic clutch system of the Track Pack as well. I will be looking into joining NASA since they have a NASA track close by my home in Illinois. Link here: http://www.nasaproracing.com/forms.htmlHow to join NASA in Texas http://www.nasatx.com/howto.phpHere is something from NASA to help you prep for the first day at the track : http://www.nasaproracing.com/hpde/firstday.html and http://www.nasaproracing.com/hpde/preparing.htmlToo bad Im in Illinois....
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar *DELETED*
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I live nw of ft. Worth. I have no experience on a road coarse but I have a helmet and would love to put my car on a track win lose or draw. If my work schedule allows I will try to make it. Any suggestions on what I need to do to my stock track pack stang to prepare for a track outing.
You don't have to do anything, really. Just get the car inspected using their tech inspection form. And make sure your lug nuts are torqued to spec.
Green group will have an instructor in the car for the entire weekend, so no experience necessary. There is a wide variety of cars that run in this program. It's definitely not a race, either. Passing only allowed when given a point by, and the program is more about learning the line than 'racing'. That being said, there are some very fast drivers in both street cars and race cars that run in the advanced groups.
Things that would be good for you to do, but you don't have to:
Change brake fluid in reservoir to a DOT4 racing fluid and bleed the brakes. ATE super blue and ATE type 200 are a good choice (same fluid, different color. Swap between the two so you know when you've fully bled the system.)
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They run at multiple Texas tracks, and MSR in Cresson is a big one for them. That's pretty close to you, so going to an event at that track might make more sense for you.
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Cressent is about 25 miles south of me. When is that event?
Getting old just means you were smarter than some and luckier than others.
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Since Paul and I live in the general Chicago area, within reasonable driving distances to the local hi-speed road courses (Joliet Autobahn/IL, Blackhawk Farms/IL, Gingerman & Gratton (both SW Mich), Milwaukee Mile, Road America/WI, Putnam/IN, etc)... usually once or twice a month availablities, AND... we could even enter some of the same local pylon autocross events (one almost every wknd here in the Chgo area close to our homes), I believe we're both looking forward to doing this type of "swap-n-test?" each other's cars. We may not get out to a lot of events, but we'll do what we can as time allows (and $$, too). Personally, I'm planning/hoping to run competitively in the 2014 Midwestern Council of Sports Car Clubs hi-speed autocross road course championship series (www.mcscc.org... NOT same or similar to the SCCA Solo classifications) in class B/P with the BFG G-Force Comp-2 255-50-16 tires on the 16x8 minilite rims (thanks again Paul!). The newer Mustangs are in a different classification for this MCSCC series. Regardless, all that will be most interesting is to see the results of the lap times at day's end. Tires will make the biggest differences in any car's timed results (along with driver's skill/experience per each track), example: Hoosier A6 tires will typically reduce about 2~5 seconds per lap (about 2-miles), and some of the cars in that class (B/P), and many others, are already running Hoosiers (the car and/or tires are trailerd to/from the events). I'm planning to just drive my car to/from the day's events on the GForce Comp-2 street tires (maybe... get a small tow-behind utility trailer and get a set of Hoosiers or something else, again, but all that adds up to $$$ which I'm on a tight $$ budget for my car-playing allowance, etc). I just want to get back out onto the track again and enjoy the car best as possible.... maybe I'll be succesfull and become obsessed again. The car is pretty strong and reliable but anything could happen... and as I'd drive it to an event... I intend to also drive it home after any such event.... (basic spare parts/tools are brought, just in case). IF there's any other fellow "Handlers" amongst us within this ongoing thread, and you're within reasonable driving distances to some of these mentioned locations, matbe we could get together and share our "on-track" experiences for any given day/location (pylon autocross and/or road course??? Consider your plans for 2014??? I'll send out some event schedules whe they become available for 2014. And.. this doesn't have to be just here in the Chgo area... it can be other locations... anyone else willing to post when their schedules come out???  
Mopar Mitch
"Road racers and autocrossers go in deeper and come out harder!"... and rain never stops us from having fun with our cars... in fact, it makes us better drivers!
Check out MOPAR ACTION MAGAZINE, August 2006 issue for feature article and specs on my autocross T/A!
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I live about half way between the cressen track and eagle canyon out of Decatur. Eagle canyon looks cool also. My car has less than 3000 miles on it. An oil change and fresh brake and clutch fluid should be good enough.
Getting old just means you were smarter than some and luckier than others.
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