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67Autocross -- Paul did remove the mini-light rims/tires... he now has my original 15x7 Ralley rims (with BFG T/A 245-60 front, 275-60 rear) which he and I worked in a trade/deal/cash. Read above other replies. Paul's RR is a rocket ship and a blast to drive... someone will get a really good car!

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Well? It's been a week now where are the pictures of those wheels installed! Slacker!

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Then I spoke with Mr. Angry concerning the cross roads I was at with the project....Either dump 30K into this 72 Runner to make the car I wanted it to become or sell it and move on.

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The Mustang is by far the best way to go. I hit the track at least twice per month, I'm an instructor with NASA and an automotive journalist which means I get to drive just about everything under the sun. Bang for the buck the Mustang cannot be beat. I purchased a new 2013 base model GT last year with the track pack and the Recaro's. It's been bullet proof and has the capacity in stock form to compete with much higher dollar cars.

Now... if you want to step your game up even more, look at a Camaro SS with the 1LE package. That will out handle the Mustang as it has better suspension and much wider meat all around. However it will run about 5-6k more.

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At the last SDR-SCCA Autocross a friend of mine was doing some 200tw tire testing in his Mustang on the Saturday practice while I was running the Challenger. The fastest tire he tried was the Falken 615K, and with those was about 2 seconds off of my pace. The following day, when he was back on his slicks, he had me covered by about a second. He is a really good driver and is in the running for a jacket in ESP with a bone stock 2012 5.0 with tires.

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Good luck with your build. I wish you the best of luck in obtaining your goals.

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Funny thing is we read the same thing, and interpreted two totally different things from what was said.

I see one guy who doesn't track his older mopars, but is very well equipped to advise what new car to buy if that's what you're after. And another who tracks his mopar and outperforms a new mustang on similar tires to the tune of 2 seconds per auto-x course.

Go Mopar

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Then I spoke with Mr. Angry concerning the cross roads I was at with the project....Either dump 30K into this 72 Runner to make the car I wanted it to become or sell it and move on.

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The Mustang is by far the best way to go. I hit the track at least twice per month, I'm an instructor with NASA and an automotive journalist which means I get to drive just about everything under the sun. Bang for the buck the Mustang cannot be beat. I purchased a new 2013 base model GT last year with the track pack and the Recaro's. It's been bullet proof and has the capacity in stock form to compete with much higher dollar cars.

Now... if you want to step your game up even more, look at a Camaro SS with the 1LE package. That will out handle the Mustang as it has better suspension and much wider meat all around. However it will run about 5-6k more.

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At the last SDR-SCCA Autocross a friend of mine was doing some 200tw tire testing in his Mustang on the Saturday practice while I was running the Challenger. The fastest tire he tried was the Falken 615K, and with those was about 2 seconds off of my pace. The following day, when he was back on his slicks, he had me covered by about a second. He is a really good driver and is in the running for a jacket in ESP with a bone stock 2012 5.0 with tires.

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Good luck with your build. I wish you the best of luck in obtaining your goals.

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Funny thing is we read the same thing, and interpreted two totally different things from what was said.

I see one guy who doesn't track his older mopars, but is very well equipped to advise what new car to buy if that's what you're after. And another who tracks his mopar and outperforms a new mustang on similar tires to the tune of 2 seconds per auto-x course.

Go Mopar

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9xM-UM-vhw

And what is that called?

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67Autocross -- Paul did remove the mini-light rims/tires... he now has my original 15x7 Ralley rims (with BFG T/A 245-60 front, 275-60 rear) which he and I worked in a trade/deal/cash. Read above other replies. Paul's RR is a rocket ship and a blast to drive... someone will get a really good car!

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My Road Runner is not for the person that does not know how to exercise proper throttle foot restraint.....if you can't well get ready to buy alot of rear tires.. and that is with a 2.94 gear and 28" tall rear tires

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I don't think that torsion bars, shocks, sway bars and chassis stiffening counts as highly modified.

It means catching up to modern standards.

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Ya, I think 'highly modified' would be 4-corner coil-overs for starters.

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I don't think that torsion bars, shocks, sway bars and chassis stiffening counts as highly modified.

It means catching up to modern standards.

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Ya, I think 'highly modified' would be 4-corner coil-overs for starters.

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Yes heavily modified from stock...when was the last time a factory E body left for the sales floor with a 1" + torsion bar.

You guys crack me up...nothing like stacking the deck in your favor.

If your comparing stock cars Mustang Track Pack as delivered to a Real Factory Challenger T/A as delivered the Challenger gets freaking smoked and that is even with bringing the 70 T/A up to date with modern tires..... using the same tire on both cars.

I guess you forgot to check how soft of a suspension that Mustang comes with from Ford....

If you had any interest in testing via the scientific method then you would have no problem bringing the Mustang up to the same level of suspension fortitude by allowing for comparable spring rates that are comparable to the torsion bar rates etc that are on the Hotchkis Challenger along with modified control arms etc etc.

Break out the rose colored glasses

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And here is a more accurate description of what the Mustang Track Package car suspension is like from Mike.....paraphrasing his words here since I didn't write them down...

"It's a rental car platform with a soft suspension from the factory."

All that and it still performs very close to what a Hotchkis Modified Challenger can do.

So the bottom line is get the Mustang and

Learn the car and then improve upon it. These are all production cars our old Mopars and the new Mustangs neither came out of the factory as a race car regardless of that R/T badge on the fender or the Boss 302 stripe on the car.

How many cars here on Moparts are modified? Most are modified and some more so than others. Some are OE restored but not many. Out of those OE certified cars how many hit the track of any kind? Heck how many of those OE cars are even driven on the street????????????

Show poodles

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What I got out of what Dan said is that a box stock 2012 gt on a street radial is two seconds slower per lap than his modified challenger on slicks. When the stock gt is on stickies it's a second a lap faster than his challenger on stickies.

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I see one guy who doesn't track his older mopars, but is very well equipped to advise what new car to buy if that's what you're after. And another who tracks his mopar and outperforms a new mustang on similar tires to the tune of 2 seconds per auto-x course.

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