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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: amxautox]
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09/28/13 11:21 PM
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Reality is "out of the box" a new Mustang is pretty badass. But the "upgrades" to make them truly breathtaking cost the same or more in most cases. Can my car outrun an 06 Roush Stage 3 on slicks? Duck no. Was the said Stage 3 Roush owner totally impressed with my 72 Dodge during its first track appearance, for driver too, with my yet to be refined setup? Umm you bet. And I guarantee you I have probably half the money in mine. This can go on and on, back and forth until someone puts up or shuts up. Mark Steilow was in an article that pitted his 750hp totally decked out 69 Camaro against a 2012 "bone stock" ZL1 Camaro and the 69, while it did out perform, didnt exactly embarrass the ZL1 at all. My take is he is a GM engineer, is paid by GM for a living, and was the driver for both cars, and didnt want to s%^& where he eats, if you catch my drift. And I also bet that article sold a ton of ZL1's.....The best part of all this is at least there are a handful of MOpar nuts that are bored with the lawn chair and drag strip crowd and own our Mopes to drive the piss out of them!
Mopar to the bone!!!
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: PHJ426]
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09/28/13 11:52 PM
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So the budget has been set buy an old Mopar. The cost of the purchase and upgrades in suspension, drivetrain etc etc etc is set 25k. The performance goal is set beat the capabilities of the 25k Mustang track pack car as listed in the Ebay link.....
Who will try to do this.......?
I have contemplated cutting the body off my 75 dart and cut the body off my 2006 Subaru wrx, and put the abody on the subie frame. There a old Mopar that can beat a track mustang for less than 15k and includes all creature comforts with today's technology. Not counting your time to do it...
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: dangina]
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09/29/13 10:47 AM
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So the budget has been set buy an old Mopar. The cost of the purchase and upgrades in suspension, drivetrain etc etc etc is set 25k. The performance goal is set beat the capabilities of the 25k Mustang track pack car as listed in the Ebay link.....
Who will try to do this.......?
I have contemplated cutting the body off my 75 dart and cut the body off my 2006 Subaru wrx, and put the abody on the subie frame. There a old Mopar that can beat a track mustang for less than 15k and includes all creature comforts with today's technology. Not counting your time to do it...
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: dangina]
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09/29/13 07:43 PM
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So the budget has been set buy an old Mopar. The cost of the purchase and upgrades in suspension, drivetrain etc etc etc is set 25k. The performance goal is set beat the capabilities of the 25k Mustang track pack car as listed in the Ebay link.....
Who will try to do this.......?
I have contemplated cutting the body off my 75 dart and cut the body off my 2006 Subaru wrx, and put the abody on the subie frame. There a old Mopar that can beat a track mustang for less than 15k and includes all creature comforts with today's technology. Not counting your time to do it...
My son's 1967 Barracuda fastback (383/4sp/3.55SG) had no trouble beating a well-driven WRX at the local autocross around here (granted that was before 2006)...
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: Jim_Lusk]
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09/29/13 07:45 PM
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So the budget has been set buy an old Mopar. The cost of the purchase and upgrades in suspension, drivetrain etc etc etc is set 25k. The performance goal is set beat the capabilities of the 25k Mustang track pack car as listed in the Ebay link.....
Who will try to do this.......?
I have contemplated cutting the body off my 75 dart and cut the body off my 2006 Subaru wrx, and put the abody on the subie frame. There a old Mopar that can beat a track mustang for less than 15k and includes all creature comforts with today's technology. Not counting your time to do it...
My son's 1967 Barracuda fastback (383/4sp/3.55SG) had no trouble beating a well-driven WRX at the local autocross around here (granted that was before 2006)...
Oh, and one more thing. We didn't anything close to $10k in the car...more like about $5k...
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: Jim_Lusk]
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09/29/13 07:53 PM
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So the budget has been set buy an old Mopar. The cost of the purchase and upgrades in suspension, drivetrain etc etc etc is set 25k. The performance goal is set beat the capabilities of the 25k Mustang track pack car as listed in the Ebay link.....
Who will try to do this.......?
I have contemplated cutting the body off my 75 dart and cut the body off my 2006 Subaru wrx, and put the abody on the subie frame. There a old Mopar that can beat a track mustang for less than 15k and includes all creature comforts with today's technology. Not counting your time to do it...
My son's 1967 Barracuda fastback (383/4sp/3.55SG) had no trouble beating a well-driven WRX at the local autocross around here (granted that was before 2006)...
I agree Jim..... I have the wrong car to use as a starting point. A 72 Road Runner with a 508, Six Pack auto on column with bench seat, factory air grabber good that weighs close to 4000# with me in it is the wrong car for the track.
There is way too much weight and torque.
Look for the 1972 RR to go up for sale soon. Its a great riding on down the highway car 2.94 gears and 28" tall tires and awesome from a stop light to stop light drag race with that torque of the 508...its amazing the car accelerates the way it does with the weight and rear end gear but it does keep up from a light to the posted speed limits with new ZL1's But then again it is a 508 with Stage V heads that flow 290 cfm max and 260 around .400 lift so it hauls the mail....
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: PHJ426]
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09/29/13 08:20 PM
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So the budget has been set buy an old Mopar. The cost of the purchase and upgrades in suspension, drivetrain etc etc etc is set 25k. The performance goal is set beat the capabilities of the 25k Mustang track pack car as listed in the Ebay link.....
Who will try to do this.......?
Maybe i have to go back and read some posts, but i thought the goal was to replicate/beat A new track pack Mustang. I had no idea the specific one you linked was so modified. THAT... is not a fair fight. Well, again, unless we get to start with a half-done or heavily modified car too. Hmmm...???
In that fight? good luck. It could still be done i think, but the comfort level and appearance would be even further compromised... i'm probably talking Mad Max here.
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: PHJ426]
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09/29/13 08:27 PM
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So the budget has been set buy an old Mopar. The cost of the purchase and upgrades in suspension, drivetrain etc etc etc is set 25k. The performance goal is set beat the capabilities of the 25k Mustang track pack car as listed in the Ebay link.....
Who will try to do this.......?
I have contemplated cutting the body off my 75 dart and cut the body off my 2006 Subaru wrx, and put the abody on the subie frame. There a old Mopar that can beat a track mustang for less than 15k and includes all creature comforts with today's technology. Not counting your time to do it...
My son's 1967 Barracuda fastback (383/4sp/3.55SG) had no trouble beating a well-driven WRX at the local autocross around here (granted that was before 2006)...
I agree Jim..... I have the wrong car to use as a starting point. A 72 Road Runner with a 508, Six Pack auto on column with bench seat, factory air grabber good that weighs close to 4000# with me in it is the wrong car for the track.
There is way too much weight and torque.
Look for the 1972 RR to go up for sale soon. Its a great riding on down the highway car 2.94 gears and 28" tall tires and awesome from a stop light to stop light drag race with that torque of the 508...its amazing the car accelerates the way it does with the weight and rear end gear but it does keep up from a light to the posted speed limits with new ZL1's But then again it is a 508 with Stage V heads that flow 290 cfm max and 240 around .400 lift so it hauls the mail....
You know, one more knock against the 71-72 RR is the smaller wheelwells. I didn't even know this until i bought a really nice and clean 72 Satellite. I immediately swapped over the wheels and tires i'd been driving on in my 72 Charger for years with no issues, and they wouldn't even sit off the jack without rubbing hard on the quarter. The fronts were VERY close everywhere. You have a lot less room than even a 72 Charger. IF you absolutely had to use a 3rd gen B-body, the Charger would be ahead big time i think... as the aero is far better too i think.
Yet still... i have yet to see a pic ov a big B-body (not a light early one) turning a hard corner without what looked like serious drama. Just too big. Take that as a challenge too i guess... but bring more money. They're probably still smaller than a new 300, and definitely a lot lighter.
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: PHJ426]
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09/29/13 08:42 PM
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I think the Canadian dollar buys you more but taxes might be worse on importing parts from the States?
This might be a wash....is there a CPA or actuary in the house.
Oh you mean the 'HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAYou live in Canada?' tax...???
The dollars are fine, its just the taxes/shipping that'll nuke your budget here.
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: Pale_Roader]
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09/29/13 08:59 PM
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So the budget has been set buy an old Mopar. The cost of the purchase and upgrades in suspension, drivetrain etc etc etc is set 25k. The performance goal is set beat the capabilities of the 25k Mustang track pack car as listed in the Ebay link.....
Who will try to do this.......?
Maybe i have to go back and read some posts, but i thought the goal was to replicate/beat A new track pack Mustang. I had no idea the specific one you linked was so modified. THAT... is not a fair fight. Well, again, unless we get to start with a half-done or heavily modified car too. Hmmm...???
In that fight? good luck. It could still be done i think, but the comfort level and appearance would be even further compromised... i'm probably talking Mad Max here.
Well it is fair as to prove there are used Mustangs out there that are mildly built and the money they can be bought for. This one is a mild build and not heavily modified as an all out track car. The bar can be taken out and back seat reinstalled in an afternoon.
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: Pale_Roader]
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09/30/13 01:01 AM
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... i'm probably talking Mad Max here.
My son's car is really close to Mad Max. It's got hacked wheel openings to fit the FREE used Nascar slicks (we couldn't afford autocross tires). We did custom build the original 15x10 small bolt steel wheels. The 15x10 big bolt were a combo of a pair of Pete Paulsen circle track steelies and a pair of home-built 15x10 Rallyes...The interior consists of a pair of race buckets, a cage, and a gauge panel...
But, like I said we had very little in the car. The most was probably in the 383 build, but we were under $5k. We could NOT compete against the fully-race-prepped first gen Mustang in CP (we had to run CP due to the mods), but my son's car was street driven...
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: Jim_Lusk]
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09/30/13 03:10 AM
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... i'm probably talking Mad Max here.
My son's car is really close to Mad Max. It's got hacked wheel openings to fit the FREE used Nascar slicks (we couldn't afford autocross tires). We did custom build the original 15x10 small bolt steel wheels. The 15x10 big bolt were a combo of a pair of Pete Paulsen circle track steelies and a pair of home-built 15x10 Rallyes...The interior consists of a pair of race buckets, a cage, and a gauge panel...
But, like I said we had very little in the car. The most was probably in the 383 build, but we were under $5k. We could NOT compete against the fully-race-prepped first gen Mustang in CP (we had to run CP due to the mods), but my son's car was street driven...
I [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] LOVE IT! Flat black that sucker and i'm sold.
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: PHJ426]
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09/30/13 03:48 AM
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I agree Jim..... I have the wrong car to use as a starting point. A 72 Road Runner with a 508, Six Pack auto on column with bench seat, factory air grabber good that weighs close to 4000# with me in it is the wrong car for the track.
There is way too much weight and torque.
Look for the 1972 RR to go up for sale soon. Its a great riding on down the highway car 2.94 gears and 28" tall tires and awesome from a stop light to stop light drag race with that torque of the 508...its amazing the car accelerates the way it does with the weight and rear end gear but it does keep up from a light to the posted speed limits with new ZL1's But then again it is a 508 with Stage V heads that flow 290 cfm max and 260 around .400 lift so it hauls the mail....
Don't lose faith on the best body style created! I'm currently building a 71 protouring roadrunner:
http://www.protouringmopar.com/showthread.php?796-1971-Speedipus-Rex&highlight=speedipus
I'm trying to use whats the best available to us. I'm using it for daily driving, local autox, and hopefully road coarses. I'd like to see if I can beat whats out there with it, but if your looking for serious SCCA competition start with a lighter body. I use my AE86 for the local autox's and drifting, 2600lbs with a aluminum lexus v8 up front - its just stupid fun.
if you want serious tracking, get a test drive in a mazda miata, any audi with the quattro system in it, or if you have some money to spend a honda S2000. I can't believe the grip in these cars with very little to no mods. I'd build one of these if I was more serious into the SCCA competition.
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: PHJ426]
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09/30/13 11:20 AM
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So over the weekend I went to a NASA race, and it seems the hot ticket for low cost, big thrills road racing car is not a late model Mustang, Boss or otherwise, but rather is a later model LS engine in a 4th generation GM F body. They ran to the front of the pack and stayed there for the entire race. Mustangs were all dicing with 3rd gen Camaros for scraps. Granted, this was locally and on the national scene, I'm sure its different. Quote:
Look in the 71 up B body for sale section. My 72 N96 Air Gabber hood, 508 Six Pack is now for sale.
So its safe to say you're deleting moparts this winter and signing on at trackpackmustang.org?
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