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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: 67autocross]
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09/27/13 06:04 AM
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I had a gutted 72 Scamp 340 that was set up as a drag car and it was 3000lbs with enough fluids in it to drive it , the only thing it really had other than working lights was windshield wipers. No heater, carpet, 904 trans, plastic fuel cell, drum brakes ect. If I had turned that car into something set up for road racing my guess is it would pick up a least 100 lbs in brakes and tires, 20-30 lbs for sway bars and increased in torsion bar size, 20 lbs for a better cooling system and accusump, plus the extra weight of a 4,5 or 6 speed transmission over the 904 say 30 lbs. That would put it in the 3150-3200 lb range, I could see a completely gutted E body with small block with lots of fiberglass weight something in this range if you put your mind to it.
Now my guess would be just like my Scamp after you would go through all this you would end up leaving in the corner of the garage as no one would want to drive in it for more than 10 minutes.
Meh... depends what you're used to and what you like i guess. One ov my favorite cars i've owned was this rotted, (legitimately) clapped-out 70 Skylark... it had one seat, one window roller, holes in the floor, the top ov the gas tank kept stuff from falling out ov the trunk, missing a rear window, etc. I drove that thing for 2 years, and would like to go back in time and punch the guy in the face who convinced this 18year old noob that 'frame rot cant be fixed'... I regretted taking that car off the road and have wanted to build something like it (though not as dangerous or 'Mad Max' this time) ever since. Thats not the goal with this Challenger though.
I laugh at what some others deem 'mandatory' in a muscle car, and at the same time i've had friends that thought MY cars were 'too comfy'...
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: PHJ426]
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09/27/13 06:12 AM
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This one needs the Recaro seats. There is no way you could build an old Mopar that looks and drives as good as these 2 cars here for 25k.
Well probably 30K+ after all the taxes and new car BS. But yeah, if the old car had to LOOK pretty too, you'd be hard-pressed even with 30K.
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We are talking about purchase of an old Mopar and bringing the suspension, brakes, wheels and tires up to par with the handling and braking ability of these two cars.
Some have posted before you need to be rich to write the check to buy a new(er) Mustang. Buy one two to three years old and your getting a true bargain.
Hell... even a couple months old with 500 miles on the odo. Just dont be the FIRST guy to sign the reggie and you'll save thousands. I dont understand why anyone buys a brand new 0-mile car.
A new GT for 30K...??? Yeah, but i'd get the 'might-as-wells' bad again... I've seen used 2012 Boss Mustangs as cheap as 35K without really searching...
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: PHJ426]
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09/27/13 10:47 AM
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http://dallas.craigslist.org/mdf/ctd/4092670700.html
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http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=121179754518
Yeah, but what do they weigh? 
I'll admit that things like this make a very convincing argument for a turn key hot rod that is a very capable track day ride that will probably fulfill the boy racer need in myself along with the cruise control and a/c requirements of my wife, while being nice enough the kids will want to borrow it to drive it.
I guess that brings us to the age old adage about what matters most to the particular individual, the journey or the destination. I can honestly see it both ways and have done it both ways in the past. Suffice it to say that thankfully we all have differing opinions of that view and its what keeps thing interesting. If we all sold off our old heaps for bargain late model mustangs, it would indeed be a boring place.
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: Pale_Roader]
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09/27/13 11:34 AM
09/27/13 11:34 AM
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Hell... even a couple months old with 500 miles on the odo. Just dont be the FIRST guy to sign the reggie and you'll save thousands. I dont understand why anyone buys a brand new 0-mile car.
Shhhhhhhhh, if nobody buys new there won't be any used....
I'm with you, though. I bought one brand new car and that was in December 1985. Got that out of my system quick. I didn't regret the car (86 Reliant) as much as I did getting the depreciation hit...For roughly the same money I probably could have bought a two-year old Reiant AND a Rampage...
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: PHJ426]
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09/27/13 11:36 AM
09/27/13 11:36 AM
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You would be hard pressed to build any old car for 25 grand that could outrun that black Gt track pack car.
A new iron curtain drawn across the 49th parallel
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
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09/27/13 02:36 PM
09/27/13 02:36 PM
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Fly Over States
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http://dallas.craigslist.org/mdf/ctd/4092670700.html
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http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=121179754518
Yeah, but what do they weigh?
I'll admit that things like this make a very convincing argument for a turn key hot rod that is a very capable track day ride that will probably fulfill the boy racer need in myself along with the cruise control and a/c requirements of my wife, while being nice enough the kids will want to borrow it to drive it.
I guess that brings us to the age old adage about what matters most to the particular individual, the journey or the destination. I can honestly see it both ways and have done it both ways in the past. Suffice it to say that thankfully we all have differing opinions of that view and its what keeps thing interesting. If we all sold off our old heaps for bargain late model mustangs, it would indeed be a boring place.
I agree , I enjoy automotive diversity even in my driveway today. Ford, Chevy, Plymouth and Dodge.
Currently for myself time is a premium first, that doesn't mean I would waste a buck on a new toy.....just with the kids at the ages they are at I don't have the entire year's worth of every hour away from work to spend in the garage. I have done that in the past spent an entire summer after work doing bodywork and paint on 2 cars that year. I enjoyed that back then. Today I can't be that selfish with my time raising kids, spending time with the family, work and doing a honey do around the house.
When I get independently wealthy I can allocate some $ to a shop of my own and spend 8 hours a day building the ultimate 2400# 72 Road Runner and still maintain my other obligations.
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: dannysbee]
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09/27/13 02:42 PM
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My 14 is identical to the 13 posted. My car has sync, it may not. Throw some matte black boss stripes on it.
That would be a cool way to do that white track pack car. I think the Boss stripes are reflective?
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: PHJ426]
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09/27/13 03:14 PM
09/27/13 03:14 PM
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By the time I finish my mustang it will be better than a boss. I think it will have earned the stripes. Lol yes I thank they are reflective.
Getting old just means you were smarter than some and luckier than others.
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: 67autocross]
#1494319
09/27/13 10:43 PM
09/27/13 10:43 PM
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You would be hard pressed to build any old car for 25 grand that could outrun that black Gt track pack car.
Hard pressed, but not impossible. I'll take that bet, but at 30K. Only way you'd get into that GT for 25K is if the sticker was 20.
As long as you dont hold me to a new paint job... i love my patina and fade...
The new ones have a couple key things going against them... one, the weight (sooo many mandatory options and safety BS the old cars dont have), and they come with smaller tires than they should, considering the dimensions ov the car (though i see a few posts below the one i quoted a way to get wider stuff on the car already available, but then that adds to the 30K ceiling). Even the height works against them comparatively... they are tall cars. I had no idea how big they were until i parked my 96 beside one... that was an eye-opener.
It could be a good battle/experiment...
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: dannysbee]
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09/27/13 10:45 PM
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Every year they get heavier. 
Not next year. Supposed to be 2-3 hundred pounds lighter with independent rear suspension and retro look will be gone. That is why I pulled the trigger on mine. The weight savings would be fine but modern looks and irs I can live without.
But how do you know the new ones wont look even better? Doesn't have to be retro to be badass. I wasn't aware the new Mustangs were losing a pile ov weight too... So that means Mopar loses again...???
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: Pale_Roader]
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09/27/13 11:31 PM
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I am sure some will think its the neatest thing since pockets on a shirt. Just not my cup of tea. I like the retro styling. Been looking at them since 2005 but the coyote along with the future remake pushed me over the edge. You have never driven a v8 automobile that is like the mustang coyote combination. The sound it makes along with the willingness to rev is intoxicating and quite addictive. Fun on wheels. First car I have owned in a long time that I like going no where in, just driving for the fun of it. http://www.caranddriver.com/features/2015-ford-mustang-rendered-detailed-future-cars
Getting old just means you were smarter than some and luckier than others.
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: Pale_Roader]
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09/28/13 02:28 AM
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But how do you know the new ones wont look even better? Doesn't have to be retro to be badass. I wasn't aware the new Mustangs were losing a pile ov weight too... So that means Mopar loses again...???
until the barracuda comes out in 2015 
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
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09/28/13 09:09 AM
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You would be hard pressed to build any old car for 25 grand that could outrun that black Gt track pack car.
Hard pressed, but not impossible. I'll take that bet, but at 30K. Only way you'd get into that GT for 25K is if the sticker was 20.
As long as you dont hold me to a new paint job... i love my patina and fade...
The new ones have a couple key things going against them... one, the weight (sooo many mandatory options and safety BS the old cars dont have), and they come with smaller tires than they should, considering the dimensions ov the car (though i see a few posts below the one i quoted a way to get wider stuff on the car already available, but then that adds to the 30K ceiling). Even the height works against them comparatively... they are tall cars. I had no idea how big they were until i parked my 96 beside one... that was an eye-opener.
It could be a good battle/experiment...
Gee, hedging your bet any? Add $5k and keep the patina? If you couldn't do it with those parameters you'd be a clown.
Nope. No more than you could OWN a brand new GT track car for 25K anyways. When i buy parts i have to pay taxes on them, plus other levies, but if i buy a brand new car i dont...??? Lets be fair now. As for patina, you couldn't buy that look for 20K, and many pathetic posers have tried. Mines free and i'll take it over a 10K rotisserie job anyday. But hey... i'm weird that way...
And call me even weirder, but i kinda like that new Mustang rendering... if thats what the thing will actually look like. Ford been 'retro' since the 1994 model came out (yes, it started in '94... i have the ads)... and i think its time for some progress. Besides, what more can they do? they've hit all the best old designs. Whats the next logical progression? a 2015 retro Mustang that looks like a Mustang II...??? Hahahahaha
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: dangina]
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09/28/13 09:12 AM
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But how do you know the new ones wont look even better? Doesn't have to be retro to be badass. I wasn't aware the new Mustangs were losing a pile ov weight too... So that means Mopar loses again...???
until the barracuda comes out in 2015
Hah! Not sure if it was intentional, but the dude riding the dinosaur was perfect punctuation for that remark.
If Mopar actually builds a simple muscle car thats AS light and small as the Mustang, and embraces the aftermarket... not just the rich over-40 crowd, i will readily eat my words. I'm not holding my breath. Though i wish they'd call it something else... I dont care HOW cool they make it, 'Dodge Cuda' just sounds wrong.
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