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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: amxautox]
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09/07/13 05:40 PM
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If you don't take the class, do you have to give the car back? 
Or they can give us the pass to their class...even better.
Here is a cool video of a Boss 302 at the Ford / Shelby meet at Hallett track in Oklahoma... this car and driver appear to be able to handle most of the people and cars at this open track day with ease. I wonder at level can this driver operate this Boss 302. Can you tell from how his driving the line?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j3Q10ZlyEc
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: PHJ426]
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09/07/13 05:58 PM
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Chrysler offered driving instruction for Viper buyers and even SRT8 buyers at one time.
Mopar to the bone!!!
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: MrAngry]
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09/07/13 06:38 PM
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Guys - You're over thinking this.
Here's a quick breakdown.
- Mustang GT = Cheap fun. Drop some coin on a good suspension set-up wheels and tires and for under $40K you've got a great car with usable back seats for smaller passengers. I'm 6'4" / 250 and I fit fine up front. Back seat is not an option.
- Camaro SS ILE = Will out handle a new track pack Mustang GT on the track. Straight line speed is about even. Back seat almost unusable. Headroom it tight if you're over 6'1" and visibility is awful regardless of size. They can be had for around $38-41K depending on your negotiating skills. These cars need nothing in handling department except a competent driver.
- Challenger SRT8: This is NOT a track car. It's too big and heavy with WAY to little tire underneath it. However, as open road GT car it's great. Wonderful seats, big power and fast, plus a usable back seat and trunk. However those big rear b-pillars hurt visibility. It's also BIG money compared to the other 2.
The Mopar crowd is still trying to figure out why the Mustang has surpassed Chrysler's offering in any and every way, they haven't even begun to assess the omnipotence the Camaro can deliver... 
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: 72Swinger]
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09/07/13 06:50 PM
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Guys - You're over thinking this.
Here's a quick breakdown.
- Mustang GT = Cheap fun. Drop some coin on a good suspension set-up wheels and tires and for under $40K you've got a great car with usable back seats for smaller passengers. I'm 6'4" / 250 and I fit fine up front. Back seat is not an option.
- Camaro SS ILE = Will out handle a new track pack Mustang GT on the track. Straight line speed is about even. Back seat almost unusable. Headroom it tight if you're over 6'1" and visibility is awful regardless of size. They can be had for around $38-41K depending on your negotiating skills. These cars need nothing in handling department except a competent driver.
- Challenger SRT8: This is NOT a track car. It's too big and heavy with WAY to little tire underneath it. However, as open road GT car it's great. Wonderful seats, big power and fast, plus a usable back seat and trunk. However those big rear b-pillars hurt visibility. It's also BIG money compared to the other 2.
The Mopar crowd is still trying to figure out why the Mustang has surpassed Chrysler's offering in any and every way, they haven't even begun to assess the omnipotence the Camaro can deliver...
Its not rocket science. 5-700 lbs too much weight can give about anything a disadvantage.
Plus too high a center of gravity, lack of a racing heritage, what little has been done with the modern Challenger hasn't been moved over to the street car.
Tom
"Everyone should believe in something; I believe I'll go fishing."
-Henry David Thoreau
Men and fish are alike. They both get into trouble when they open their mouths
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: PHJ426]
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09/11/13 09:45 PM
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Are we about done with the Mustangs awesomeness discussion? There are a ton of forums that support the Mustywang group lol....
Mopar to the bone!!!
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: MuuMuu101]
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09/12/13 11:37 AM
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I know that my Charger held its own against a Camaro SS at the track. He had a lot more experience and even said that he was impressed with the performance.
"Were in it to win it. Anything less will end up being..... A whole lot of fun doing!!" UNLAWFL
RIP UN
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: ccarson]
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09/12/13 03:46 PM
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CCARSON - you don't have to spend a fortune to modify our old Mopars for greatly improved handling... bolt-in suspension parts, rims/tires, driver's seat, misc... $5k if spent wisely (absolutely under $10k if you go overboard).
Come on out to Gingerman Raceway (SW Michigan) this wknd and see a few hundred race cars running for ~30 minutes ata time... lots of seat time (Sat w2w races)... or better yet, you should try the hi-speed autocross on Sunday with your Mustang.. you know you'll have far more fun on a road course than at a drag strip. You'll say "good-bye" to the drag racing.
Mopar Mitch
"Road racers and autocrossers go in deeper and come out harder!"... and rain never stops us from having fun with our cars... in fact, it makes us better drivers!
Check out MOPAR ACTION MAGAZINE, August 2006 issue for feature article and specs on my autocross T/A!
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: PHJ426]
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09/12/13 04:35 PM
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Who really wants to sit around all day to make maybe 5 or so 10 second passes? It's fun for a while but it got old for me anyway.
Shoot, in Denver on test and tune night, your maybe going to get 3 passes in. Even in a slow 14 second car, that is $25 entry fee and $20 in gas for 42 seconds worth of fun.
By contrast, a $200 open track day around here is usually three session of 20-30 minutes each. So I'm paying $3 a minute for at least 60 minutes of track time here compared to about $50 a minute at the drag strip.
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: TC@HP2]
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09/12/13 04:49 PM
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Who really wants to sit around all day to make maybe 5 or so 10 second passes? It's fun for a while but it got old for me anyway.
Shoot, in Denver on test and tune night, your maybe going to get 3 passes in. Even in a slow 14 second car, that is $25 entry fee and $20 in gas for 42 seconds worth of fun.
By contrast, a $200 open track day around here is usually three session of 20-30 minutes each. So I'm paying $3 a minute for at least 60 minutes of track time here compared to about $50 a minute at the drag strip.
Definitely, I must admit at the Joliet, IL. RT 66 track ....1. they are pretty darn snobby, 2. They are in no hurry to get cars down the track (They act like government workers.) 3. Then toss in something that upsets the apple cart like an oil down and its over......just put a fork in it.
Them small tracks can get the cars moving like in Osceola Indiana.
I agree an open track day might seem like a large sum of cash but when you break it down into seat time it is a no brainer.
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: PHJ426]
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09/12/13 05:11 PM
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Ya, I never thought of it in cost per minute,  I always thought that it's a HECK of a lot more fun and LOTS better to run for 3 times at 70 seconds per run, or over a minute per, or maybe 30-40 seconds per on a short autocross course run, rather than 10 to 17 seconds after waiting for an hour or two in line each time to make a drag run.
Tom
"Everyone should believe in something; I believe I'll go fishing."
-Henry David Thoreau
Men and fish are alike. They both get into trouble when they open their mouths
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: amxautox]
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09/12/13 06:48 PM
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Just because something is built in the 70's doesnt mean it automatically cant handle, c'mon. Good geometry is good geometry period. What the new cars have is road feel and noise control. Just about every suspension connection is made with a high tech rubber or liquid filled bushing or joint. That is the stuff that is head and shoulders above the old junk. The old cars will NEVER feel as good as the new stuff does but im confident that money put into the right places an old hot rod can equal or better any of them. If you start with a 4000 lb car you're shooting yourself in the foot before the first nickel is spent....
Mopar to the bone!!!
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