Ever do something yourself for the satisfaction, even..
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... if paying someone else to do the job might generate better results? Example: I've done some basic cylinder head porting in the past, as well as paid others to do more extensive work for me. The last set of heads I had done were CNC-ported by a Mopar-specialist shop and those turned out pretty good. However, I'm thinking seriously about doing another set of the same type of heads myself for the next build, even if they don't flow as well, simply because it's something I find challenging. Also, I have an idea of what I want from the heads that's a little different than what the CNC-ported heads ended up being.
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I do it all the time. I love to fabricate and build things... been doing chassis's, headers and pretty much everything on my cars for years... I'm just a cheap bast$#d .. but love building things
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... I'm just a cheap bast$#d
In my case, I've got the equipment (porting tools & flow bench), but doing it myself always stretches out the time to completion a lot.
Dwayne Porter mentioned once that he thinks I like the R&D aspect of this stuff as much or more than the final results. He could be right.
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better get a flow bench
I've had one since about 2000 and have posted lots of flow test results on here over the years.
What I don't have is a full-time porter's experience in getting the best from a set of heads. It's all R&D for me once the basics are covered.
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I just bought and read David Vizzards book, How to port and flow test cylinder heads. It gets real deep into head porting,building a real cheap flow bench, along with a whole lot more on what makes horsepower. There is info on fuel vaporization, swirl, tumble, and much more. The investment in your case would be a very good match. You might improve on what you have as well! By using foam rubber to cast the porting you have now, and transferring it to a plaster cast, you could mess around with it a lot before getting out the bits to do the actual heads.
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I just bought and read David Vizzards book, How to port and flow test cylinder heads. It gets real deep into head porting,building a real cheap flow bench, along with a whole lot more on what makes horsepower. There is info on fuel vaporization, swirl, tumble, and much more. The investment in your case would be a very good match. You might improve on what you have as well! By using foam rubber to cast the porting you have now, and transferring it to a plaster cast, you could mess around with it a lot before getting out the bits to do the actual heads.
I use to have a cheapo home made flow bench but I sold it and am still looking for a newer bench... at work we used a liquid rubber product to make molds of the ports so it was easy to measure or do other things from the plug.. even making a molded port
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I do as much as I feel I can do effectively, there are some things I have not done,,over the years I have learned how to build my own engines, built torgueflite trannys, rear differentials and frame, body and chassis work, but engine machining I let my machinist take care of that but I always do the assembly, and chassis tuning I usually get some help with that also,,but for the most part I do all that I can do myself,, yes it has a feeling of accomplishment.
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Just fully ported & polished the Indy intake for our 512 while its apart...Now I remember why I do not do that kinda project too often. Had over 2" deep of chips on my bench and about the same on the floor when I was done. Yes having it CNC'd would probably be better, but...I had less than a week to do it, and we are cheap too. I do all my intakes and heads, and yes, having them done on the outside would generate better results, but I like doing it once in a while and my time is free, if I have it. Been know to paint a car once in a while too...I try and do anything I can. I wish I could do my own transmissions. Its on my list to learn..
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... I'm just a cheap bast$#d
In my case, I've got the equipment (porting tools & flow bench), but doing it myself always stretches out the time to completion a lot.
Dwayne Porter mentioned once that he thinks I like the R&D aspect of this stuff as much or more than the final results. He could be right.
I may have missed something, but just what R&D have you been doing ?
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... I'm just a cheap bast$#d
In my case, I've got the equipment (porting tools & flow bench), but doing it myself always stretches out the time to completion a lot.
Dwayne Porter mentioned once that he thinks I like the R&D aspect of this stuff as much or more than the final results. He could be right.
I may have missed something, but just what R&D have you been doing ?
It's usually just been stuff for myself, such as improvements from head porting updates, testing self-ported intakes (dyno and/or on-track comparisons), cam & rocker ratio comparisons, etc.
I've done flow testing of various heads & intakes over the years for some different Moparts members (usually local to me, but not always), too. A lot of that was 'cuz I looked at it as a win/win situation where people got their test results cheap and I got to look over different heads and increase my flow test reference data.
If I'm trying something new or different, it's ALL R&D to me.
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We wouldn't be racers if we bought everything or paid someone else to do everything,we would just be another driver.To be able to challenge yourself with projects is the fun of it all and with every accomplishment comes the pride.Even when project goes bad it isn't a failure it experienced gained.
VERY TRUE Bob.... and lately I've been gaining experience.. LOL
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I would'nt have what I have if I paid retail and labor for whats been done to my car. NO WAY! And I think Mopar guys as a whole are head and shoulders above most other brand lovers in "hot rodder 101". The Chevy guys are color by numbers and the Ford guys usually have DEEP pockets.
Mopar to the bone!!!
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