How Stupid Am I? Sheet Metal Question
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08/07/13 03:21 PM
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It's OK...you can actually answer that. I have pretty thick skin. Here's the deal. When I purchased my '70, 6 years ago, it required a lot of work. Some of my friends, though they didn't come out and say it, thought...he'll never be able to fix that thing up with his limited knowledge and tools. Well you know they say a bee shouldn't be able to fly based on the laws of physics, but it doesn't know that. God made it to fly so it does. I'm kinda like that bee. I was too stupid to think I couldn't do the work I've done so far (motor, tranny, interior, trunk, dash, windshield, brakes, etc.) and it all looks great. How tough is it for a rookie welder to replace two rear quarters, deck and tail panel? The car will never be a show car, but I do want it to look decent. When I replaced the trunk floor, I did it myself from cutting out the old rusty metal, to spot welding and seam sealing. But, of course, that's in the trunk. Looks good, but it isnt the exterior finish. Maybe I shouldn't tackle this and just save up a few more (thousands) of dollars and have a shop do it, but what's the fun in that? Be brutally honest. Thanks. Chris.
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Re: How Stupid Am I? Sheet Metal Question
[Re: RoadrunnerCN]
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08/07/13 03:58 PM
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Well, if its any consolation, if you screw them up, you cut them off and redo it. If you send it to a shop, you'll redo them and have the sting of paying soemone in the first place. If you are using the reproduction sheetmetal out there, you can get a pretty good result. The full quarters will end at the same places as factory seams, so you shouldn't have any major outer surface body work to worry about. Reproduction metal isn't perfect, but taking your time, asking questions here, and following what others havfe done, will help a ton. Take a look on the Projects/Survivors forum here at Moparts and look to see what others have done to get an idea on teh level of effort to restore a car.
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Re: How Stupid Am I? Sheet Metal Question
[Re: RUNCHARGER]
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08/07/13 10:07 PM
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RTDaddy
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First time I welded was when I installed those crappy 90's circa full quarter panels on my 69 Hemi GTX, there was a lot of work involved like moving the side marker openings and making the back edge correct. Just go slow and ask for advice on here and you'll be fine.
Sheldon
Try to find someone who's done it that's close to you, and have a MIG welder. You can warp the panels badly with a stick welder, (You can with a MIG too - you have to "skip weld"). Some of the repop quarters are not the best, I've had good luck cutting a "window" out of the old quarter, (staying back about 1" of so from the door hole, back of quarter, and below an upper body line), taking all of the old quarter off of the inner wheel-well and using that to locate the quarter. I trim the new quarter 1st, then cut out the quarter around the wheel-well and along the bottom, then use the new quarter clamped to the wheel-well as a template to make the cut on the old quarter. Don't try to match cut-for-cut on the 1st cut, leave youself some extra to trim off. Hope this helps, good luck, and "be patient." When you feel you're getting frustrated or rushed, put the tools down and walk away.
"IF YOU'RE UNDER CONTROL, YOU AIN'T GOING FAST ENOUGH."
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Re: How Stupid Am I? Sheet Metal Question
[Re: RTDaddy]
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08/08/13 05:19 AM
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Short answer, you can do it.
I can't afford this.
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Re: How Stupid Am I? Sheet Metal Question
[Re: a12superbee]
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08/08/13 08:50 AM
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It takes a strong attention to detail and having some experience in properlt fitting panels would be great. The reproduction stuff is good - but it's been my experience that you will need to work it to get the results as good as the factory did it. And really that's what we're talking about here. Solid and safe, rather than solid, safe, and perfect when judged by others looking for flaws. I've found the finessing to be an art form - and I'm not an artist...lol. So it takes me a longer, and it takes me more effort. You will find the same I'm sure. So go for it - but think about everything, ask questions, and don't be in a rush.
Well, art is art, isn't it? Still, on the other hand, water is water! And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now, uh... Now you tell me what you know.
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Re: How Stupid Am I? Sheet Metal Question
[Re: a12superbee]
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08/09/13 11:22 AM
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Don't be afraid to do it. I myself haven't yet. When beginning work on my Dads Dart someone had welded the trim holes up in the 1/4's and warped them pretty bad. A local body man said it would cost less to replace them than to try and straighten them out. I bought a pair of AMD full 1/4's at Carlisle. He is 73 years old and has never done any type of body work and no metal work to my knowledge, however he is very mechanically inclined. He drilled out the old welds and removed the old ones in sections. We had the doors on and adjusted exact to the old 1/4 panel. I showed him how to spot panels together to look like factory and turned him loose. The new panels fit very well. In the end the car turned out great. There is a lot of satisfaction in doing things yourself. The part I find most interesting is that he will not do bodywork with a traditional plastic paddle. He has been doing drywall finishing for about 40 years and prefers to use a stainless drywall knife to work with body putty. If you decide to do this yourself I would use a full quarter and not attempt a partial panel unless it is small.
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Re: How Stupid Am I? Sheet Metal Question
[Re: skicker]
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08/09/13 01:09 PM
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It's doable. Buy a good MIG welder and register for a community college/tech school welding class. Get a couple of books and read up on how. Lots of articles on this in old MOPAR MUSCLE mags etc. Astrobuf
So, are you really a Rocket Scientist?
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Re: How Stupid Am I? Sheet Metal Question
[Re: RoadrunnerCN]
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08/15/13 03:35 PM
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Go to a Pick a Part type yard and buy an old fender and door of the same vintage and practice
NS1AAR
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