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Have some slight alignment issues with my air grabber and hemi with schumaker mounts Then I read this in regards to new manifold " This new aluminum in-line Dual Quad Hemi Intake Manifold is based on the Marine/NASCAR version and is built from the original tooling. Machined to accept aftermarket AFB or Holley carburetors (P4452778 rear, P4452779 front — see Fuel Systems section of this catalog). Will fi t production 426 Hemi heads and has provisions for manifold heat and power brakes. It retains the stock height of the production 1966–71 Street Hemi AFB intake manifold. Production AFB air cleaner baseplate/lid will need to be changed or modifi ed. Some O.E. and aftermarket linkage components and fuel lines are needed to complete the installation. Am I the only one ??  Disregard the manifold , I guess it only applies to marine manifolds ..
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Re: new hemi intk maniflds , Air grabber alignment 71 bbody
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What are the alignment issues you're having?
The marine intakes carb spacing (center to center) is wider compared to the production street Hemi intake.
But it's my understanding that was the only difference.
Kayse can't keep up at all now. lol
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As I stated before - i goofed I dont have a marine manifold, i just read the wrong description in a sales ad for street manifolds . Thought tehy might all require mods to baseplate .. Do the Schumakers shift the engine left or right ? Or just up ? 
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I just got back in and checking left and right backwards and forward ,, The fan does not seem to be exactly EVEn in the shroud .. The driver side of engine seems to sit up higher The wingnuts of my lid are not on center of my air grabber .. Are the air boxes offset ? It doesn't seem so .. Any one else .. 
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Just read this from a post in 2006
" i dropped a hemi in a 72 Road Runner with a A/grabber hood. parts i used. mopar performance siamese hemi block, old style stage 5 hemi heads without a bolt hole for the alternator. indy 16 bolt single plane intake modified by milling 1/2" of the top. mopar performance valve covers, TTI big tube headers repo bower brake booster and bracket of un-known manufacturer, big bolck fluid dampner, stock 400 pulleys, flex tube dip stick, mopar performance mini starter, shumacher conversion mounts on a 400 K member. with the shumacher mounts the motor sits a bit to the passenger side and a bit higher than stock. the valve covers clear the right shock tower but the rub when i stand on it. DON'T buy the big tube TTI headers. they aren't worth the headaches on a street car. i have a buddy who has a 71 charger with the A/C mounted in the stock location. he had to modify the A/G base to get it to fit but it fits now. i am not sure how it would fit with a shaker aircleaner. he clears the A/C blower motor motor with cast valve covers also without mods. all i can say is PLAN in advance and go to the big shows and look for builds like you plan to do and ask alot of questions to the people who have done it before, nothing beats seeing instalations first hand instead of looking at pics. "
I dont know how many hours I have into this BS
I know, I must have a deviated hemi block ...
just like we cant fit a keisler in an aar ..
For Trade One 71 GTX with a crooked hemi for a 2009 challenger ..
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Re: Hemi Conversion Schumaker Mounts Air grabber? Alignmen
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I would assume that any shim would only raise the engine higher .. 
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contact megaparts , order a repop K and the CORRECT engine brackets , there ARE differences and you're done .
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That would be the correct way .. Schumaker said theyd fix anything as necessary .. quite a gentleman tech support was good .. Arruza said 25 years not one complaint .. Hemi kframe is $ 435 dollars difference + shipping .. I gotta try Arruzas first ..
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That would be the correct way ..
Schumaker said theyd fix anything as necessary .. quite a gentleman tech support was good ..
Arruza said 25 years not one complaint ..
Hemi kframe is $ 435 dollars difference + shipping ..
I gotta try Arruzas first ..
you built a F.A.S. T . LEGAL HEMI and you are crying over 435 bucks
sorry but thats 
do it ONCE , do it RIGHT ... but that's just me 
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The first problem is probably the schumacher monuts , when you have to deal with alignment to underhood ductwork you really need to go with original parts or accurate reproductions .
When I did the G-Series 71 wingcars, all 3 used 472 crate Hemis using shumacher conversion mounts on the B/RB K frame (which I assume Andy is using?)...running factory airgrabber hoods Dodge/Plymouth......along with my custom Hemi 6Pak cast Aluminum intakes, using Mopar Performance stock aircleaners, and factory airboxes.....everything lined up fine, and that was even throwing in a custom manifold......only install problem was TTI headers.....I don't think the Shumacher mounts are the issuse
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That would be the correct way ..
Schumaker said theyd fix anything as necessary .. quite a gentleman tech support was good ..
Arruza said 25 years not one complaint ..
Hemi kframe is $ 435 dollars difference + shipping ..
I gotta try Arruzas first ..
you built a F.A.S. T . LEGAL HEMI and you are crying over 435 bucks
sorry but thats
do it ONCE , do it RIGHT ... but that's just me
I am crying over any dollars at this point I thought I was done ..
John , You again might be right and I concur ( kind of ) but heres the reasons to do what Ive done ..
1) using arruzas mounts - he has a solid drivers side so I wont have to chain the motor
2) someone once told me that they use 440 kframes to save weight . Hes really fast.
3)I dont need a shiny k frame lying around collecting duct
4) I goofed , 435 is chumpchange , id have to buy two new Hemi motor mounts , and then figure a way to chain the block .. or buy a magnum mount or something , then risk the chance of it all not lining up again .. No Thanks.
This is a racecar ..
This FAST project put me WAY over my head ,, but Im finishing it this year .. as long as Mr Visa allows me ..
After reviewing all the above comments and correspondence - Me and my staff have decided that this way has the most integrity and is the most economical way. But I would look at any other opinions that anyone has .. Maybe theres another way ..
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There is a major problem with the Schumaker Mts in sogtx's project here. Let's not start that crap "they worked just fine for me so the must be something wrong with your car". Verbal garbage at best.
I have been assisting him with the finer details and there is a "visible" problem here. The problem is the schumaker mounts have geometric deficiencies. For the mentally challenged it means they do not position the engine in the stock position as advertised. Bolt in means bolt in and works as original, not cocking the engine off center and pushing it up on the driver's side.
As far as the money and the 
you shoulda coulda woulda...just more hot air instead of help as expected by the peanut gallery from our favorite mopar web site 
What's in your wallet??? 
what's in my wallet ? A REPRODUCTION K frame and the CORRECT mounts for the year car , I have a Ramcharger hood on my 69 Superbee and I want to be SURE that its not going to get broken when I close the hood .
Next STUPID question ?
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A REPRODUCTION K frame and the CORRECT mounts for the year car
Thats what I did. I sent my wedge K-frame to Al Debevec and he reworked it, supplied the motor mount brackets and cushions along with all the nuts and bolts etc. He does excellent work and was one of the originators on the k-frame conversion.
I watched to many threads here with Schumacher and Aruzza mount issues. They include header fitting problems, air cleaner and air grabber problems along with fan shroud and other placement issues. Not including the driveline angle.
So going with the converted k-frame was a no brainer.
Al still does then at a lesser price than what others advertise. I have his number if anyone is interested.
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There is a major problem with the Schumaker Mts in sogtx's project here. Let's not start that crap "they worked just fine for me
Well Tom, I put 3 (THREE) HEMI's in 3 (THREE)71 B-Bodies, 2 dodge, 1 plymouth using Schumakers motor mounts,over a 3 (THREE) year period, all 3(THREE) cars used factory air grabber hoods, and Mopar Performance repro air cleaners, and factory air boxes.......as I stated, I had no issuses with the mounts, or engine placement, or air grabber misalignments, in fact when one of the Dodges grenaded a HEMI, we dropped a 440/6 right in place,....guess what everything bolted up,...including the Keisler!......The proof is in the pudding!!!!!!!!!
In fact even hooked up 3(YES THREE!) Keisler TKO's behind them with NO ISSUSES EITHER!......another feat some people have problems with too?
Like I say at work,(when someone blames the parts/ manufacturer) and often find true...."OE" or "IE"......(operator error or installation error)
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Stupid question maybe, but are the Schumacher mounts both the same?
And for the old NHOA Mickey Mouse mount you did have to take a corner off to mount the Hooker 5210's, I don't know if you would have to grind for stock manifolds.
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Stupid question maybe, but are the Schumacher mounts both the same?
And for the old NHOA Mickey Mouse mount you did have to take a corner off to mount the Hooker 5210's, I don't know if you would have to grind for stock manifolds.
Sheldon
No matter who's mount,if it's the big spool style good luck. 
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I'am having issues with the repo K members (68 hemi dart)header,steering,t-bar clearence.tried two different ones,and check them against my original dart and they aren't even close.I'am going to fab my own for this project.
Did you have Al do yours? If not I can give you his number. He has like 8 different hemi k-frame jigs he built off original hemi k-frames.
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There is a major problem with the Schumaker Mts in sogtx's project here. Let's not start that crap "they worked just fine for me so the must be something wrong with your car". Verbal garbage at best.
I have been assisting him with the finer details and there is a "visible" problem here. The problem is the schumaker mounts have geometric deficiencies. For the mentally challenged it means they do not position the engine in the stock position as advertised. Bolt in means bolt in and works as original, not cocking the engine off center and pushing it up on the driver's side.
As far as the money and the
you shoulda coulda woulda...just more hot air instead of help as expected by the peanut gallery from our favorite mopar web site
What's in your wallet???
Tom = this is supposed to be a friendly thread everyone was posting their experiences ..
If The Arruzza mounts dont fit my factory manifolds then Ill take one black six speeed chally in trade for umteen thousand in stock appearing racecar
When we get back to the normal state of economy Ill do the hemi kframe ..
I am an optimist , Im sure all will work out ..
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Dont know what your voodoo lingo is...   Another thought is what K-frame are you using???? Has it been identified???
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Dont know what your voodoo lingo is... Another thought is what K-frame are you using???? Has it been identified???
someone will figure out the voodoo lingo ..
440 super trak pak car kframe has a skid plate and a little circle thingy welded on the front of the kframe .. ( inspection tag )
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By the way Dayclona ,
I have corresponded with Gary and he said that there were many shims on the previous projects
That describes exactly what has happened to me and others .. I dunno what to believe .
This is Hot rodding .. not all stuff works identically if it was more women would be doing it ( sorry most women hate greasy stuff, no pun here with associated parties )
So whats the deal does Keisler or schumaker have some special deal with you does all there stuff fit sooo good..
Three cars no problems .. ? Unbeleivable ..
But hey what do I know ? Im to cheap to buy a kframe .
Andy.......I recall only one car requiring a shim on the mount, and that was an 1/8 inch, required to pin the mount, not align the airgrabber, using a factory B/RB K-Frame......any other shiming Gary may be refering to would involve the tranny mount, or pinion angle to Phase the driveline for the Keisler install, not airgrabber alignment,........I'm the guy who built the Hemi 6pak cast aluminum manifolds,....I think I would know EXACTLY how the induction system fit the cars, and the airgrabber systems
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Dont know what your voodoo lingo is... Another thought is what K-frame are you using???? Has it been identified???
someone will figure out the voodoo lingo ..
440 super trak pak car kframe has a skid plate and a little circle thingy welded on the front of the kframe .. ( inspection tag )
I thought this was supposed to be a FRIENDLY question ?????
you have it incorrect , it's not a PESSIMIST , it's a REALIST .
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Got a set of Arruzza mounts from Gil In Hawaii.. Thanks gilbert .. he had em sitting on his shelf collecting dust .. He wants to Know when fast class is coming to Hawaii . That hopefully straightens it out . Gonna drop the motor today .. hopefully back in next weekend .. Thats gives me some time to beat up the polyglass' and round them out .. 
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Hey Andy  They shipped out yesterday. So you should have them by Wednesday the latest  Speaking of FAST, I have got to see that class run one day. Must be a sight to see stock looking cars running deep 11's and 10's As for Hawaii (Honolulu specifcally), we need a track FIRST before we can get you FAST boys out here  So pathetic, we are the most populated island yet we do not have a track for the last two years since it has been shut-down due to the land lease expiring  Would be nice to see Hemi cars flying down the track here with palm trees and waterfalls in the background  Gil
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ok i did it ... they look square in the kframe couple mods , but theyre good ... so far ..pics to follow in comp to schumaker ... 1/2 ' heighth diff 
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i guess if there no fresh air the schumaker mounts are ok dont know what they do for pinion or other alignments .. My dispstick fits the arruzza mounts worked ..
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Is there a prize for the correct answer???
Speaking of that entity and others alike
Where are our beloved soothsayers, protectors of poorly engineered and or manufactured aftermarket products who whack the messenger rather than the maker???
A picture tells a thousand words...seems like another case of geometric intolerance
Need a shim??? 
Keep up the hard work, you might actually get me to give the car the "passed inspection" stamp and let you take it out of the garage.
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We had clearance issue's when building Maxie's RR with Schumacher mounts. Changed to Arruzza's and solved the problems.
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Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 75,020
U.S.S.A.
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I know this isn't really about air cleaners, but... one size fits all (even aftermarket intakes) Air Grabber base.....
It needs to have 2 big holes and be made of a ferrous material .
Andy good to see you got it figured out. I wasn't being A pessimist , I just hate doing things twice .
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