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96' Ram turns, over wont start? Now got the codes. #1469857
07/18/13 05:02 PM
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My 1996 ram 5.9 gas won't run, it will kick over if I stand on the gas pedal and eventually starts ruff. But as soon as I put it is gear, died and will not restart. I've had 3 mechanics look at it and they can not figure out what it is and it's been two weeks since this has all gone south.

So far I've done the following:

New battery to replace the weak one.
Six months ago I put idle control valve.one mechanic said it could bee the throttle body, but he only looked at the truck for 5 minutes and barely spoke english, so not sure uh he even knew what he was doing. Tired of this problem and want to fix it now. I can't even find used or rebuilt throttle body assemblies as it's not a common part to go out (not sure if it is that anyway).
Any ideas would be appreciated.

Re: 96' Ram turns over wont start? [Re: migsBIG] #1469858
07/18/13 05:37 PM
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What codes does it show?

Re: 96' Ram turns over wont start? [Re: stumpy] #1469859
07/18/13 06:14 PM
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Ill have to get those tomorrow, I'm out for work and won't be home til midnite.

Re: 96' Ram turns over wont start? [Re: migsBIG] #1469860
07/18/13 10:04 PM
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Back to basics, Fuel, Spark, Compression.

We will Assume decent compression as it was running.

It sounds like it almost starts then dies, so I will guess good spark---But it has been a while on a tune up, I bet you the cap/rotor/plugs/wires are pretty whooped and this will put uneccesary strain on the coil. The result is a poor running vehicle that in certian instances can barely run at all. Use factory stuff for the ignition, its not something you want to do twice---pay a little more now, or alot later. Standard Champion plugs will do just fine, its what the factory used---do not get talked into something else.

Which brings us to fuel. What your describing to me sounds like a fuel pump on its way out. But only one way to check---measure the fuel pressure. Super easy on a magnum engine, remove the schrader valve cap on the fuel rail, and connect the gauge. Not exactly sure on the spec, but I believe the pressure needs to be around 50-60 psi.

I highly doubt its anything to do with the throttle body, or IAC motor--but never say never. But you need to start with the basics and find some better "mechanics" to work for you.


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Re: 96' Ram turns over wont start? [Re: 85_Ram_4speed] #1469861
07/19/13 03:18 AM
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Fuel pumps do go bad in these trucks, that would be the first I'd look into.


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Re: 96' Ram turns over wont start? [Re: Silver70] #1469862
07/23/13 06:57 PM
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Just got back, was out on family business and work and couldn't get to my truck til today.

I went out to it just now, turned on the key and it started without a problem. Ran well for 5 minutes without any problems. Put it into gear and it does like usual. I did the engine codes and got a 12 and 55, which men disconnected battery at last 50 key starts, which is correct since I got a new battery and 55 in end codes. Still wondering if the throttle body is the culprit like the mechanic said. If it was the cool, it wouldn't start at all, and if it was the fuel pump, it wouldn't be able to run for as long as it did. Kinda stumped, need to to get my blue beasty back to running again.


By the way, will a 1998 throttle body work on a 1996, or know what years will interchange with mine?

Re: 96' Ram turns over wont start? [Re: migsBIG] #1469863
07/24/13 01:50 AM
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Had the same problem with my 97. I put a new iac valve in ran fine for a bit then started dying again. Was told I needed to pull the throttle body off and cleaned it real well and it solved my problems


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Re: 96' Ram turns over wont start? [Re: migsBIG] #1469864
07/24/13 01:55 AM
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Jump the relay for the fuel pump and listen to it with the gas cap off. If it sounds like a nice even buzz, it's probably fine, if it's noisy, growly, grinding or not running at all, I would suspect the pump. There's very little to go wrong on a throttle body, it has, if I remember correctly, a TPS, IAC and maybe an intake air temp sensor.

Re: 96' Ram turns over wont start? [Re: Biggie] #1469865
07/24/13 06:17 PM
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Quote:

Had the same problem with my 97. I put a new iac valve in ran fine for a bit then started dying again. Was told I needed to pull the throttle body off and cleaned it real well and it solved my problems




While I would agree that this could be a potential problem (carbon build up on the throttle body inards), Maybe I should have asked if he cleaned it already. Minimum air flow needs to happen and sometimes the rpm drop in gear will be below what it needs to pull through the throttle body. Another symptom of this is when it dies coming to a stop, but acts ok while driving. A good carb cleaner and a few rags usually takes care of the cleaning and don't forget to remove the IAC to get in there too and clean the tip of the IAC.

And to go along with cleaning the throttle body, one should look in the intake while its off and see if there is a slight sheen inside indicating the lower gasket is breeched and sucking in oil from the engine. This is usually accompanied by pinging while driving. I know not the issue here, but its good to check while your in there.

However, one of my main beefs here, guessing that the fuel pump is OK, is no way to fly either. Yes, the engine can run with less fuel pressure than the spec, especially just idling, but exhibit many symptoms once in gear too. This is why I asked him to do a simple fuel pressure reading. If you don't have a gauge, I believe most parts stores will rent one. Its a simple check that takes less than 5 minutes and verifys rather than guessing. Process of elimination through verification.


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