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Re: 500" 440 street car: 230 or 240 duration cam? [Re: 808CUDA] #146367
11/07/08 08:00 PM
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In a 500" motor anything smaller than about a 242 degree @.050 hydraulic is going to sound like a broomstick if it has decent compression.

In a heavier car where you're looking for a big upper bottom midrange punch I almost always go with a tighter 108 spread...With a flat tappet I'd leave the 112's for either a lighter car, or an exhaust limited motor (too small headers where minimizing overlap could help reduce intake contamination and enhance VE) or going big in a stick (or very traction limited car) that might not hook up with fast torque rise in the middle. 112's can work very well in Hydraulic roller apps and solid F/T's that have quicker ramps but with a Juice F/T in a street car I lean hard toward a 108...There are combos where a wider spread makes sense but probalby not for this one, tough to get the big power AND the sound you want with a hydraulic F/T in a 500, not without going to bigger ramps....by comparison both a solid and a Hyd FT will have more aggressive ramps (between .05 and .200 lift) so the EFFECTIVE overlap will be more and can compensate somewhat for the wider centerline angle....hope that makes sense.

If I had to pick an off the shelf Hydraulic that will have a decent lope (not sound like a milk truck) I would pick the Comp 305 Magnum (253 @ .050 and .525 lift) but I know first hand the Comp XE 241/247 makes very good power with decent heads in a 10.5:1 440, I think that choice would still sound a little too mild in a 500 (for my taste) but I think it'll at least have a hint of chop to it....it's a good cam and the other one you list is too small in my view for your app.

For dual purpose ou want to cam a 500" motor "right" ....by that I mean it should sound mean but actually drive pretty docile around town and not require a ton of stall (though the big torque will effortly raise the flash)...it should feel ideally (my ) like riding a very powerful horse and with a light throttle you feel like you have to hold back the reins cause she just wants to get up and run every chance it gets.

I agree with Andy that a Hydraulic roller is a very good investment for a 500, the extra duration above .200 lift they give you allows you to keep the idle quality good but still gives it a bit more "lung" up top for better VE and higher RPM capacity.

Last edited by Streetwize; 11/07/08 08:22 PM.

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Re: 500" 440 street car: 230 or 240 duration cam? [Re: 808CUDA] #146368
11/07/08 08:56 PM
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thanks for the inputs everyone! Much appreciated!
Anyone has Dwaynes number?

I'm thinking of trying the .557 since I have one laying around new in the box

Please keep the suggestions coming especially any .557 experiences





Hey 808!
I say go for it, run the .557 cam. It seems to
work just fine for 383 man.

If you don't like it you can change it out
in a day. The 3.55s should ET just as good with
the bigger cubes. It will be better on the
freeway than 3.91s
With 3.08s I love running down the road
going 94 mph at only 3000 rpm!


Snap your neck, mega G-force launch, is all I want!
Re: 500" 440 street car: 230 or 240 duration cam? [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #146369
11/07/08 10:40 PM
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I'm putting a 505 together as well using the 4.25 stroke/7.1 rod combo after much consideration & talking with Andy F & Cab Burge I wound up with a Comp XS282S similar to the specs below but I went with the 3 bolt version spread the LSA to 112, had the #4 journal grooved to improve rocker oiling & had it Nitrided...

Part Number: CCA-21-232-4
Cam Style: Mechanical flat tappet
Basic Operating RPM Range: 2,500-6,500
Intake Duration at 050 inch Lift: 244
Exhaust Duration at 050 inch Lift: 252
Duration at 050 inch Lift: 244 int./252 exh.
Advertised Intake Duration: 282
Advertised Exhaust Duration: 290
Advertised Duration: 282 int./290 exh.
Intake Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio: 0.520 in.
Exhaust Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio: 0.540 in.
Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio: 0.520 int./0.540 exh. lift
Lobe Separation (degrees): 110
Camshaft Gear Attachment: 1-bolt
Intake Valve Lash: 0.016 in.
Exhaust Valve Lash: 0.018 in.
Computer Controlled Compatible: No
Grind Number: CRB XE282S-10
Quantity: Sold individually.

Camshaft, 1-Bolt, Mechanical Flat Tappet, Advertised Duration 282/290





This is the cam i had in my 499.Decent idle(850rpm)lots of torque and pulls hard up to 6,500 +.This was a 9.7 to 1 steel headed engine.

Re: 500" 440 street car: 230 or 240 duration cam? [Re: 808CUDA] #146370
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I've got a 245/256 duration (112 LSA) juice roller in my 528 hemi. It idles at 800RPM and has just a little "roughness" to the idle. I'd lean towards a 240+ duration cam unless you want it to sound as mean as a school bus.

Re: 500" 440 street car: 230 or 240 duration cam? [Re: Paul_B] #146371
11/08/08 04:43 AM
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You guy's are the best! Thanks for all the input and suggestions

Streetwize, thanks a ton for the indepth explanation. After reading the posts here and a good friend of mine persuading me, I decided to go with a solid cam. It'll be my first
I always feared the need to conastantly adjust the rockers, but I have been assured with roller rockers, adjusting is not so frequent

This brings me to my final decision. I am going to try the .557 MP cam.
The specs of the Comp 305 Magnum are very similar to the .557 as well as the other favorably chosen cams (approx .5xx list, 25x duration and 110 LSA).

I'll try it out (yay BDS71Cuda) and one of three things will be the outcome. Either I'll have to drop the trans and add more stall to the converter, swap the cam for less duration/more lsa??, or it may just be what the doctor ordered

BTW, love the School bus / Milk truck comments

Thanks everyone and I will definitely keep everyone posted on the outcome

Re: 500" 440 street car: 230 or 240 duration cam? [Re: 808CUDA] #146372
11/08/08 11:23 AM
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The ol' 557 is also a great stick, it'll work great!

BTW, for comparison check outh the 511" 477 RWHP build currently in Q&A.

Also for comparison This is what a 12:1 517 with a 265-ish @.050 on 108 Hydraulic roller idles like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN9uEzqzdA0&feature=related

Last edited by Streetwize; 11/08/08 11:27 AM.

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World's Quickest Diahatsu Rocky (??) 414" Stroker Small block Mopar Powered. 10.84 @ 123...and gettin' quicker!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mWzLma3YGI

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjXcf95e6v0
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