Re: 383 Mag windage tray necessary for 4WD truck?
[Re: Triggerfish]
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Tray is not needed for low rpm street use. For a truck, you will never see a difference without the tray.
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Re: 383 Mag windage tray necessary for 4WD truck?
[Re: dOrk !]
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If MPG is a concern .... I would consider putting one on ... if it is not that much of a PITA. The TRAY does a decent job pulling oil out of the crank swirling around ... but not as good a scraper would.
That's what I was thinking & during a search on this site, I read
the MP tray isn't that good unless you drill holes for drain back.
I have a 6 qt MP rear sump pan & wonder if the tray is recommended
for that application. First time I made a gasket with Permatex &
think I got way too much on there, so am pulling it off this morning anyway.
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Re: 383 Mag windage tray necessary for 4WD truck?
[Re: RapidRobert]
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I just installed it without the tray.
If your up & running I'd let it go as is & put your energy elsewhere  . The MP drainback could be an issue if racing but not significantly in your app. The tray/extra gasket changes pickup clearance so might see what you have just for reference if you do go back in there.
Thanks Robert & I just pulled the pan off. Thought I may have applied way too much gasket maker & sure enough, it would've peeled off into the oil. The gray takes quite a while to harden, so may just use The Right Stuff. Drilled 6 3/8"holes in the windage tray for drain back so may as well install it. I could use the rubber gaskets with sealant or adhesive, but there's some small imperfections & scratches in the pan flange, so think gasket maker is the way to go. Messy, but hope it works.
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Re: 383 Mag windage tray necessary for 4WD truck?
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I put the Mopar truck pan on the Dart (383). Fits great with the Alterktion suspension. I used the MP tray too, put some holes in it and chamfered them a bit.
I typically put a thin coat of gasket maker on the gasket itself. Just enough to help it stay in place and fill any small imperfections but not enough to make a mess.
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Re: 383 Mag windage tray necessary for 4WD truck?
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06/16/13 09:47 AM
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Typically the "form-a-gasket" from Permatex. There are two grades of the stuff, I need to see which one I use.
Like I said, I use the cork gasket, I just skim it with the form-a-gasket on both sides. It has always worked for me. Lots of guys get away with no gaskets, but I typically use gaskets, just my preference.
BTW, I have truck envy, that is awesome!
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Re: 383 Mag windage tray necessary for 4WD truck?
[Re: Crazy68Dart]
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Typically the "form-a-gasket" from Permatex. There are two grades of the stuff, I need to see which one I use.
Like I said, I use the cork gasket, I just skim it with the form-a-gasket on both sides. It has always worked for me. Lots of guys get away with no gaskets, but I typically use gaskets, just my preference.
BTW, I have truck envy, that is awesome!
Thanks much & what type of gaskets are you using, rubber, rubber/cork or cork?
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Re: 383 Mag windage tray necessary for 4WD truck?
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BTW, I have truck envy, that is awesome!
  Me too, any more pics?
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Re: 383 Mag windage tray necessary for 4WD truck?
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06/16/13 01:37 PM
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Thanks & here's one from last yr...
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Re: 383 Mag windage tray necessary for 4WD truck?
[Re: dOrk !]
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06/17/13 12:55 AM
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110$ tray ??...?? 
Its this nylon tray with integral gaskets on both sides.
Pretty trick, but tore it when I had to remove cause of leaking.
Probably would've worked just fine, if I the PVC was hooked up right..
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Re: 383 Mag windage tray necessary for 4WD truck?
[Re: RapidRobert]
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06/17/13 01:58 PM
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Sure enough, soon as I switched it to the front AND cleaned all the oil out of the valve cover breather & took it for a ride, NO leaks.
That's good it is solved. Clarify this for me, the PCV hose got moved from what port to what port. I'm not grasping what was changed & how that stopped an oil leak at the pan?
The carbs pulls more vacuum off the front inlet than the back. On their site, they say plug the power brakes in the back port & PVC only on the front. My carb builder also verified that it pulls more vacuum from the front side. Here's the Q&A from their site:
Q: Can I run my PCV line to the rear of the carburetor?
A: We do not recommend routing the PCV line to the rear of the carburetor. We recommend that the PCV line go to the front, if you have power brakes, they go to the rear.
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