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Re: 440 source 1.6 aluminun roller rocker reviews WANTED
[Re: Digger73]
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06/17/13 10:43 AM
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I had these rockers...They sat in a box for three years...I asked around because I didnt wanna be a "gambling man". Two words were mentioned to me "needle bearings" and thats all that was said. I sold them. When you put a lot of money into a motor which I have, you don't wanna shortcut the job, save a few extra paychecks instead and get the right parts. I aimed high, I went for Harlands. I find it hard to believe a Hughes engine has CAT (440Source) rockers. You get what you pay for... 
Family owned 1969 Charger R/T DualQuad 440/727/GVO/3.55s
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Re: 440 source 1.6 aluminun roller rocker reviews WANTED
[Re: Digger73]
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06/17/13 11:04 AM
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Don't know about the 1.6 rockers but, we ran a set of 1.5s on the wife's 'Cuda. We ran them with a Crane solid roller cam for 4 years with no problems. Never any issues with the shafts or the roller tips.
The only reason we are not running them now is that the heavy spring loads caused the bottom side of the rockers to crack. This is the same thing that happened to the Crane gold rockers we first tried.
The engine by the way is a 440 Source stroker 512" that has been running and raced for 6 years now. I am sure there is a good reason to bash 440 Source stuff but, not all of us are made of money and have to try to save money where we can. If that means that I have to go against the popular ideals and buy from someone that I can afford their parts so be it. I normally don't rave on but I just felt I had to vent.
Mike (Digger73)
A solid roller usually is speced for high spring pressure , this is not the place for a solid body unbushed alum. rocker ... or an unbushed iron rocker for that matter. If the Cranes broke I wouldn't have expected a CCJ rocker of the same design to be any better.
That said you must not have had high spring pressures because ccj rockers have failed being run on hyd. flat tappets. 
Not sure what is considered to be high spring pressure but the spring loads we run are 223 closed and 576 open.
Mike (Digger73)
I'm surprised those rockers lasted that long with those pressures, do you only start it and let it idle for a minute once a year?
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Re: 440 source 1.6 aluminun roller rocker reviews WANTED
[Re: TooMany62s]
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06/17/13 04:30 PM
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I rarely comment on here about many of these things, only because there is always someone who wants to " challenge" your findings and or experience. I'm too busy for that. Rocker arms are a component you simply cant skimp on in a performance engine. The lure of offshore and swap meet parts will always be there. I fully understand customers budgetary constraints. I deal with it everyday. One area I always try and sternly suggest wise spending is rocker arms and lifters. Not everyone can always make the decision I would like them to. Its their engine and money, and I cant always " spend it for them". What I CAN say is, no one has ever hated me for making them hold out, or spend a little more for quality rockers. They HAVE kicked themselves in the butt for going with cheaper budget friendly versions. Go to some race tracks over a season, and watch the cars that show up every week, are in the points hunt, and make run after run after run.These are the guys running 200-400 runs a year. Go ask what they are using, and I bet you'll find a " pattern".With that said, yes, not everyone NEEDS that type of success to simply drive their hydraulic cammed street motor, true for sure. I dont get into the product bashing, as I understand these people have the right to sell whatever they want. Thats their deal.I also rarley will post unless I have experience with a customers parts or engines that I can comment on first hand. In this case, I have seen the damage done when they fail. If you would like a picture, let me know and I will email you. I actually turned down a job last year on a 528 engine rebuild because the customer insisted on using offshore rockers in a roller cammed bracket motor. I cant sit and watch a guy run down the local track, and wait for an engine to expire, and have everyone know I did the build, but NOT no WHY it grenaded, or had repeated issues. Sure enough, three weeks into his " great buy" rockers, kaboom. He hasnt rebuilt it yet, because he didnt have the money to re-do it after JUST re-building it. So, how much did he save? So, my comment of " gambling man" comes from about 30 years of engine building everything from farm tractors to blown alky outlaw dragsters. Its simply a case you see a lot fo things in this business, and most often, the failures are either blown up all over the internet, or the owners are too embarrassed and you never hear a thing. I have found with several manufacters and products right here on Moparts, that this is the case. Many people who have problems wont post their bad experiences just because they dont want the attacks afterwards.Suppose I dont blame them. So after that long babbling explanation, the OP has to determine whats important to him, and make a decision accordingly based on feedback and personal reasoning, both monetary and circumstancial.... 
RIP Monte Smith
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Re: 440 source 1.6 aluminun roller rocker reviews WANTED
[Re: Hughes]
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06/17/13 09:12 PM
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We have never installed a set of 440 Source rockers on an engine.
Hughes Engines and Machining in Arizona is the one who installed them
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Re: 440 source 1.6 aluminun roller rocker reviews WANTED
[Re: Jjs72D]
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06/17/13 11:44 PM
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An oldie but a goodie. https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...rue#Post6426425They were an older version I used, but I learned the hard way. Quality costs $$$. Some on here may never have problems and even swear by them. I cursed at them and sent them off to the scrap shredder for about $0.50 a pound...which is about their true worth.
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Re: 440 source 1.6 aluminun roller rocker reviews WANTED
[Re: Pyper70]
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06/21/13 07:00 PM
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I had these rockers...They sat in a box for three years...I asked around because I didnt wanna be a "gambling man". Two words were mentioned to me "needle bearings" and thats all that was said. I sold them. When you put a lot of money into a motor which I have, you don't wanna shortcut the job, save a few extra paychecks instead and get the right parts. I aimed high, I went for Harlands. I find it hard to believe a Hughes engine has CAT (440Source) rockers.
You get what you pay for...
I have Harland Sharp rockers and I am fairly sure they have needle bearings also? I still wouldn't use those 440source rockers though on anything.
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Re: 440 source 1.6 aluminun roller rocker reviews WANTED
[Re: Blakcharger440]
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06/22/13 08:34 AM
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They do have needle bearings....but I failed to mention Made in the USA is far superior than Made in China
Family owned 1969 Charger R/T DualQuad 440/727/GVO/3.55s
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Re: 440 source 1.6 aluminun roller rocker reviews WANTED
[Re: Pyper70]
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06/22/13 01:59 PM
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They do have needle bearings....but I failed to mention Made in the USA is far superior than Made in China
It's not the needles that are the main concern with these time bombs...it is the shafts. Needle bearings regardless of whose rockers they occupy require if not demand a true .8750 55ish+hrc hardened rocker shaft to live.
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Re: 440 source 1.6 aluminun roller rocker reviews WANTED
[Re: jb500]
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06/23/13 08:32 PM
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They do have needle bearings....but I failed to mention Made in the USA is far superior than Made in China
It's not the needles that are the main concern with these time bombs...it is the shafts. Needle bearings regardless of whose rockers they occupy require if not demand a true .8750 55ish+hrc hardened rocker shaft to live.
that may be the case but the offshore rockers weak point had been the shaft the roller tip rotates on , too brittle and breaking.
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Re: 440 source 1.6 aluminun roller rocker reviews WANTED
[Re: JohnRR]
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06/23/13 10:51 PM
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They do have needle bearings....but I failed to mention Made in the USA is far superior than Made in China
It's not the needles that are the main concern with these time bombs...it is the shafts. Needle bearings regardless of whose rockers they occupy require if not demand a true .8750 55ish+hrc hardened rocker shaft to live.
that may be the case but the offshore rockers weak point had been the shaft the roller tip rotates on , too brittle and breaking.
I was "lucky" enough not to have that problem show up as well. I just had the cages blow up due to undersized and soft rocker shafts and send all kinds of fun stuff throughout my block.
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