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B series van/motorhome engine removal #1439858 05/21/13 02:06 PM 05/21/13 02:06 PM
Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,944 woodcrest, CA magnum440d100 OP top fuel
magnum440d100 OP top fuel Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,944 woodcrest, CA	Motor has 28,000 miles and runs awesome. Motorhome is falling apart, but still in ok condition. I'm thinking of pulling the 360 (1972) and putting it in my 72 d100. I would like to pull the motor out without damaging anything, as I am putting another motor in to keep it driveable and useable. Do I go out the front (I have a short engine hoist) Do I go out the side door? Do I need to remove anything (intake, oil pan, etc) I would like to keep it as together as possible so that it stays drop in ready. Any hints tricks or suggestions?

Re: B series van/motorhome engine removal [Re: magnum440d100] #1439859 05/21/13 04:02 PM 05/21/13 04:02 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,036 Oregon A AndyF I Win
AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,036 Oregon	With an engine hoist you probably need to come out the front. But to do that, you'll need to cut away some sheet metal. Factory recommended method is to drop it out the bottom.

Re: B series van/motorhome engine removal [Re: AndyF] #1439860 05/21/13 04:09 PM 05/21/13 04:09 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio Challenger 1 Too Many Posts
Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	Quote: With an engine hoist you probably need to come out the front. But to do that, you'll need to cut away some sheet metal. Factory recommended method is to drop it out the bottom. It's been 30 years since I worked at a place that had dodge vans. They did all the service there and they had FSM. If I remember right I remember seeing pictures of the engine crane in the passenger door with that seat removed in the FSM? But I may be all wrong, these were 76-80 vans at the time. Any how that's how I did it when I rebuilt a 360 in a 73 motorhome back in the 80s.

Re: B series van/motorhome engine removal [Re: AndyF] #1439861 05/21/13 04:16 PM 05/21/13 04:16 PM
Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 671 Wisconsin USA B Bill MeLater mopar
Bill MeLater mopar B Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 671 Wisconsin USA	Having spent many years working at a boneyard, I can tell you there is no easy way. Best meth is to cut and drop from under,weld together after..

Re: B series van/motorhome engine removal [Re: Bill MeLater] #1439862 05/21/13 05:20 PM 05/21/13 05:20 PM
Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,944 woodcrest, CA magnum440d100 OP top fuel
magnum440d100 OP top fuel Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,944 woodcrest, CA	No access to a welder. Would it be easier if the dash were removed, assuming it was coming out the passenger door? I'm just tempted to chop it all up, scrap it all. It just needs a LOT of little stuff

Re: B series van/motorhome engine removal [Re: magnum440d100] #1439863 05/21/13 05:42 PM 05/21/13 05:42 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,426 Florida STAYcation dOrk ! The village idiot's idiot
dOrk ! The village idiot's idiot Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,426 Florida STAYcation	Any JY I have ever seen would just CHOP OFF the front with a BLUEwrench .... .... but typically ... for the home-mechanic ... they come out the door .....

Re: B series van/motorhome engine removal [Re: dOrk !] #1439864 05/21/13 09:00 PM 05/21/13 09:00 PM
Joined: Feb 2012 Posts: 637 SoMd, USA 1 135sohc mopar
135sohc mopar 1 Joined: Feb 2012 Posts: 637 SoMd, USA	79 and 85 books have it coming out the front, they use a lift plate and low profile/long reach crane to lift it just enough and wiggle it out the front. I just yanked 318/999 from one two weeks ago and did not have the lift plate they called for or a short crane. It was a PITA. Engine stays together but A/C, alternator ect all needs to come off. Might help to remove exhaust manifolds as well (I didnt, wish I had)

Re: B series van/motorhome engine removal [Re: 135sohc] #1439865 05/21/13 10:01 PM 05/21/13 10:01 PM
Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,842 Ohio J john55 master
john55 master J Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,842 Ohio	Quote: 79 and 85 books have it coming out the front, they use a lift plate and low profile/long reach crane to lift it just enough and wiggle it out the front. I just yanked 318/999 from one two weeks ago and did not have the lift plate they called for or a short crane. It was a PITA. Engine stays together but A/C, alternator ect all needs to come off. Might help to remove exhaust manifolds as well (I didnt, wish I had) I used to do them years ago, out the front, it helps to raise the front end up, and use an extension on the crane so you can get further in the van...those were a pain to do The Plymouth Win You Over Beat Goes On

Re: B series van/motorhome engine removal [Re: john55] #1439866 05/21/13 11:26 PM 05/21/13 11:26 PM
Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 12,481 Chino Valley RodStRace I Live Here
RodStRace I Live Here Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 12,481 Chino Valley	I've done a few. I'd get a FSM to double-check, but here goes from memory: Drain all fluids and remove the cover, converter bolts, starter, braces. Remove bumper, grille, radiator, panels on either side. Remove all hoses, belts and lines. Lay aside the PS pump, remove the Alt and A/C if equipped. There is not enough room the lay the A/C aside well. pull the crank pulley. Remove the carb, dist. and anything else on the manifold. Jack up the front end of the van and use good jack stands so that the boom of the engine hoist is level with the carb flange on the intake. This is important. You need the hoist to be fairly short and the arm must be darn near flat against the carb flange. There is just enough room for the arm to clear the front of the doghouse if it's right against the intake, so the oil pan will clear. I have never tried pulling the pan and pump off prior to removal, because I HATE installing pans in the vehicle and figured it's easier to get it all right on the way out so it goes back the same way.

Re: B series van/motorhome engine removal [Re: RodStRace] #1439867 05/21/13 11:51 PM 05/21/13 11:51 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 279 Northeastern PA F Fanning enthusiast
Fanning enthusiast F Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 279 Northeastern PA	I usually remove the intake manifold from the engine so that I can get the engine crane hook as low as possible. Lift chain pulled tight across engine at angle using 2nd from outer intake to head bolt holes.

Re: B series van/motorhome engine removal [Re: Challenger 1] #1439868 05/22/13 01:16 AM 05/22/13 01:16 AM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 46 Detroit, USA. M MagnumGT member
MagnumGT member M Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 46 Detroit, USA.	I always put the truck up high, and put the hoist arm right down between the heads (intake off) without the hook and the chain tight to each head diagonally. You want the angle to be close to the angle of the body (whatever that is). I have even ratchet-strapped the block to the arm. What a swap: V6-OD to V8-727. I used an '89 pump module with the drain tube and hooked my fuel line to that. I can also power the pump to empty the tank! The length of a V6/OD is almost the same as a V8/727. Dipstick tubes and a shifter bracket/rod was about it. After driving it I had to re-install the computer (eeek!) to use my dash or else swap it out for the old speedo with a cable. Just rewired all of it with a chrome box, regulator and the yellow "start" wire into an old type starter relay. It's a '94 with an '87 360-4 barrel, 340 cam and old TQ ('cause I like them). The '70's B van may have the engine further back to allow it to go out the door so... I have only done '82 and up. All Mopars ROCK! 7714756-Nov26ready.jpg (1653 downloads) Last edited by MagnumGT; 05/22/13 01:31 AM.

Re: B series van/motorhome engine removal [Re: MagnumGT] #1439869 05/22/13 01:27 AM 05/22/13 01:27 AM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,426 Florida STAYcation dOrk ! The village idiot's idiot
dOrk ! The village idiot's idiot Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,426 Florida STAYcation	CAN'T believe I have missed this aspect about this topic .... look at my MH in my avatar ...same/SAME as a Dodge van ...almost. I have never pulled a motor in it ... but I am going to ...and the best way is building a lift-plate that that is deeeep in the valley of the motor(just like the OEM valley pan gasket) that hooks to heads. The intake OF COURSE has to come off ....

Re: B series van/motorhome engine removal [Re: dOrk !] #1439870 05/22/13 01:36 AM 05/22/13 01:36 AM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 46 Detroit, USA. M MagnumGT member
MagnumGT member M Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 46 Detroit, USA.	Well my first time I had THE BUMPER OFF because I left the INTAKE ON... I got better at it and now my van can rough idle on race gas right with those LITTLE HAMSTER POWERED RICERS... 7714776-Ram'shot.jpg (403 downloads)

Re: B series van/motorhome engine removal [Re: MagnumGT] #1439871 05/22/13 02:08 AM 05/22/13 02:08 AM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,048 Back home in PA B BulletBob master
BulletBob master B Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,048 Back home in PA	Quote: I always put the truck up high, and put the hoist arm right down between the heads (intake off) without the hook and the chain tight to each head diagonally. You want the angle to be close to the angle of the body (whatever that is). I have even ratchet-strapped the block to the arm. What a swap: V6-OD to V8-727. I used an '89 pump module with the drain tube and hooked my fuel line to that. I can also power the pump to empty the tank! The length of a V6/OD is almost the same as a V8/727. Dipstick tubes and a shifter bracket/rod was about it. After driving it I had to re-install the computer (eeek!) to use my dash or else swap it out for the old speedo with a cable. Just rewired all of it with a chrome box, regulator and the yellow "start" wire into an old type starter relay. It's a '94 with an '87 360-4 barrel, 340 cam and old TQ ('cause I like them). The '70's B van may have the engine further back to allow it to go out the door so... I have only done '82 and up. All Mopars ROCK! All B series vans 71-up are done this way You can only go out the door with a shortblock unless you destroy the dash A series was side door only

Re: B series van/motorhome engine removal [Re: BulletBob] #1439872 05/22/13 08:18 AM 05/22/13 08:18 AM
Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,842 Ohio J john55 master
john55 master J Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,842 Ohio	A series was side door only it seems like those were easier, unbolting the engine cover and its all right there, The Plymouth Win You Over Beat Goes On

Re: B series van/motorhome engine removal [Re: john55] #1439873 05/22/13 09:44 AM 05/22/13 09:44 AM
Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,944 woodcrest, CA magnum440d100 OP top fuel
magnum440d100 OP top fuel Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,944 woodcrest, CA	Ok. If I were to pull everything on the front, and pull the motor from the front , is there a reason the trans couldn't come with it?

Re: B series van/motorhome engine removal [Re: magnum440d100] #1439874 05/22/13 10:18 AM 05/22/13 10:18 AM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,048 Back home in PA B BulletBob master
BulletBob master B Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,048 Back home in PA	I've pulled a bunch like that

Re: B series van/motorhome engine removal [Re: BulletBob] #1439875 05/22/13 11:55 AM 05/22/13 11:55 AM
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,157 Cruising! Q QuickDodge super stock
QuickDodge super stock Q Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,157 Cruising!	I've only pulled one van engine. It was a 1970's van with a 360 engine. That van was rusted badly and headed to the scrap yard. I left the intake on it and hooked it up as tight as I could to the lift. It would not come out! So I took a sledge hammer and saw zaw and started making the front opening larger. That van had some strong metal in it! Beating and cutting that van up enough to get that engine out was a real hassle! If I was to EVER do another engine swap in a van, I'd pull the intake and if necessary the heads or the oil pan. It would be a LOT easier to make the engine smaller than to make the grill opening larger! Last edited by QuickDodge; 05/22/13 11:56 AM.

Re: B series van/motorhome engine removal [Re: QuickDodge] #1439876 05/22/13 12:50 PM 05/22/13 12:50 PM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 46 Detroit, USA. M MagnumGT member
MagnumGT member M Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 46 Detroit, USA.	Well I just viewed this thread and my photos are only visible when I am logged in so, without the picture of my block hanging in front of the van I guess I can't really prove it, right? 7715094-Nov26ready.jpg (507 downloads)

Re: B series van/motorhome engine removal [Re: MagnumGT] #1439877 05/22/13 02:31 PM 05/22/13 02:31 PM
Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,944 woodcrest, CA magnum440d100 OP top fuel
magnum440d100 OP top fuel Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,944 woodcrest, CA	Quote: Well I just viewed this thread and my photos are only visible when I am logged in so, without the picture of my block hanging in front of the van I guess I can't really prove it, right? Thanks for the pic The water pump has to come off anyway, same with the intake. I have a 4bbl to replace the 2 bbl. I do have an extra HV oil pump which could justify oil pan removal Ok. I guess enough talkin, more doin. Learn by trial and error. I'm going to go through the front. Wish me luck guys

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