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MOPAR 6.1L Hemi GEN III Hemi Aluminum Block #1429108
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Has anyone had any experience with one of these ?

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I've not had first hand experience, but a few guys on LX Forums are using them. InferAL and Hemi~C~ most notably.

Here is the engineering drawing of one..

http://www.lxforums.com/board/f71/aluminum-block-engineering-drawings-326500/

What questions do you have?


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Re: MOPAR 6.1L Hemi GEN III Hemi Aluminum Block [Re: AlexP] #1429110
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Long term use reliability. Compatibility with all other factory parts. I will go look there and see what I find.

Thank you

Re: MOPAR 6.1L Hemi GEN III Hemi Aluminum Block [Re: blown572dart] #1429111
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The only thing that isn't a direct factory part is head gaskets. Those are cometic. All accessories, timing cover etc will bolt on. It isn't as exotic as it seems.


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Re: MOPAR 6.1L Hemi GEN III Hemi Aluminum Block [Re: AlexP] #1429112
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Not as exotic but it is lighter. In my case that 100lbs is huge.

Re: MOPAR 6.1L Hemi GEN III Hemi Aluminum Block [Re: blown572dart] #1429113
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Not as exotic but it is lighter. In my case that 100lbs is huge.




Agreed. I'm dropping 200 lbs going from a B/RB to my Iron block 6.1...


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Re: MOPAR 6.1L Hemi GEN III Hemi Aluminum Block [Re: AlexP] #1429114
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This will be going in a 4dr Jeep

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This will be going in a 4dr Jeep


Ok a 400+ cubes of all alum gen 3 hemi in a 4dr Jeep. Ok now you have to spill the beans on what the whole project is

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This will be going in a 4dr Jeep


Ok a 400+ cubes of all alum gen 3 hemi in a 4dr Jeep. Ok now you have to spill the beans on what the whole project is




Just something I am looking into. It's my daily driver and the 3.8 sucks. I figured this was a great place to start asking about the Gen 111 Hemi

Re: MOPAR 6.1L Hemi GEN III Hemi Aluminum Block [Re: blown572dart] #1429117
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This will be going in a 4dr Jeep


Ok a 400+ cubes of all alum gen 3 hemi in a 4dr Jeep. Ok now you have to spill the beans on what the whole project is




Just something I am looking into. It's my daily driver and the 3.8 sucks. I figured this was a great place to start asking about the Gen 111 Hemi


I am big fan of the GenIII hemi but if you are looking for a daily driver i would just do a 5.7 stroker "392" I myself have the alum block already and the 6.4 heads for my challenger, however the block was $4200 plus another 1300 for the heads, You can get a whole 5.7 with the computer and drive acc. for that price or less and build a stroker from the 5.7/392 can make a easily 500+hp with the stock block and heads

Re: MOPAR 6.1L Hemi GEN III Hemi Aluminum Block [Re: AlexP] #1429118
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Not as exotic but it is lighter. In my case that 100lbs is huge.




Agreed. I'm dropping 200 lbs going from a B/RB to my Iron block 6.1...


have you actually weighed the 2 engines? A couple fellows on another site showed a 470 B engine with aluminum topend no headers and full of oil weighing 517lbs and a 5.7 eagle with no acc or oil weighing 512 lbs.


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The Jeep is already heavy and though I do agree the 5.7 would be cheaper the fact that it's 100lbs lighter and it's all aluminum really is what has me looking in that direction.

Re: MOPAR 6.1L Hemi GEN III Hemi Aluminum Block [Re: blown572dart] #1429120
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The Jeep is already heavy and though I do agree the 5.7 would be cheaper the fact that it's 100lbs lighter and it's all aluminum really is what has me looking in that direction.


Ya thats why i went the Alum block route, but if you not building the jeep to race the a 392 stroker on a daily driver 100 pounds is not mgoing to make much of a difference, If only mother mopar had a factory alum block mass produce for have the cost say around 2k

Re: MOPAR 6.1L Hemi GEN III Hemi Aluminum Block [Re: 540challenger] #1429121
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This will be going in a 4dr Jeep


Ok a 400+ cubes of all alum gen 3 hemi in a 4dr Jeep. Ok now you have to spill the beans on what the whole project is




He is re-powering the Dart. He is looking for a weight break by going with a small block.

Re: MOPAR 6.1L Hemi GEN III Hemi Aluminum Block [Re: blown572dart] #1429122
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The Jeep is already heavy and though I do agree the 5.7 would be cheaper the fact that it's 100lbs lighter and it's all aluminum really is what has me looking in that direction.




a hundred pounds isn't gonna mean squat on that daily driver....save $$$$ build a stroked 5.7

Start looking for a tune to go with it

Better yet....throw some hair dryers or a s-charger on it

Rickster

Re: MOPAR 6.1L Hemi GEN III Hemi Aluminum Block [Re: rickstershemi] #1429123
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I would use a 5.7 block, add a K1 Stroker kit, clean up the heads, reuse a truck intake and add a small 220/220 ish cam. Huge torque and driveability for a little bit more than the block alone.

If you want to do it, buy the alum block. We all understand lol.


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I would use a 5.7 block, add a K1 Stroker kit, clean up the heads, reuse a truck intake and add a small 220/220 ish cam. Huge torque and driveability for a little bit more than the block alone.

If you want to do it, buy the alum block. We all understand lol.




Yea the aluminum block is probably which way I want to go. So the search and reading will begin.

BTW it's definitely not for the Dart. Someone else will be playing with it soon enough.

The big question is finding a good gen111 builder

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I would use a 5.7 block, add a K1 Stroker kit, clean up the heads, reuse a truck intake and add a small 220/220 ish cam. Huge torque and driveability for a little bit more than the block alone.

If you want to do it, buy the alum block. We all understand lol.




Yea the aluminum block is probably which way I want to go. So the search and reading will begin.

BTW it's definitely not for the Dart. Someone else will be playing with it soon enough.

The big question is finding a good gen111 builder





BES all the way.

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don't forget to add fire bottles with your luck.

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I would use a 5.7 block, add a K1 Stroker kit, clean up the heads, reuse a truck intake and add a small 220/220 ish cam. Huge torque and driveability for a little bit more than the block alone.

If you want to do it, buy the alum block. We all understand lol.




Yea the aluminum block is probably which way I want to go. So the search and reading will begin.

BTW it's definitely not for the Dart. Someone else will be playing with it soon enough.

The big question is finding a good gen111 builder




Whats the Goal....????

Rickster

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Get ahold of Mike and the Muscle Motors Boys. They're doing alot of cool things with the Gen 3's over there.

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Maybe Scotty G wouldn't mind building you one, he would probably enjoy working on something different. Who knows, he may even talk you into letting him put a 3 stage system on it.

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Sure thing

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I would use a 5.7 block, add a K1 Stroker kit, clean up the heads, reuse a truck intake and add a small 220/220 ish cam. Huge torque and driveability for a little bit more than the block alone.

If you want to do it, buy the alum block. We all understand lol.




Yea the aluminum block is probably which way I want to go. So the search and reading will begin.

BTW it's definitely not for the Dart. Someone else will be playing with it soon enough.

The big question is finding a good gen111 builder




Whats the Goal....????

Rickster



Question number 1 was finally asked.


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I would use a 5.7 block, add a K1 Stroker kit, clean up the heads, reuse a truck intake and add a small 220/220 ish cam. Huge torque and driveability for a little bit more than the block alone.

If you want to do it, buy the alum block. We all understand lol.




Yea the aluminum block is probably which way I want to go. So the search and reading will begin.

BTW it's definitely not for the Dart. Someone else will be playing with it soon enough.

The big question is finding a good gen111 builder




Whats the Goal....????

Rickster



Question number 1 was finally asked.





No major goals. I was going with a ripp but the cost is't worth it when I can do a Hemi for just a bit more

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I would use a 5.7 block, add a K1 Stroker kit, clean up the heads, reuse a truck intake and add a small 220/220 ish cam. Huge torque and driveability for a little bit more than the block alone.

If you want to do it, buy the alum block. We all understand lol.




Yea the aluminum block is probably which way I want to go. So the search and reading will begin.

BTW it's definitely not for the Dart. Someone else will be playing with it soon enough.

The big question is finding a good gen111 builder




Whats the Goal....????

Rickster



Question number 1 was finally asked.





No major goals. I was going with a ripp but the cost is't worth it when I can do a Hemi for just a bit more



Goals like, how much power do you want this engine to make? If you want big power, are you prepared to replace the rest of the drive train? The modification of a Jeep never ends. JEEP stands for Just Empty Every Pocket.


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I would use a 5.7 block, add a K1 Stroker kit, clean up the heads, reuse a truck intake and add a small 220/220 ish cam. Huge torque and driveability for a little bit more than the block alone.

If you want to do it, buy the alum block. We all understand lol.




Yea the aluminum block is probably which way I want to go. So the search and reading will begin.

BTW it's definitely not for the Dart. Someone else will be playing with it soon enough.

The big question is finding a good gen111 builder




Whats the Goal....????

Rickster



Question number 1 was finally asked.





No major goals. I was going with a ripp but the cost is't worth it when I can do a Hemi for just a bit more



Goals like, how much power do you want this engine to make? If you want big power, are you prepared to replace the rest of the drive train? The modification of a Jeep never ends. JEEP stands for Just Empty Every Pocket.




All ready in the works swaping out the axles to high pinion 60s and the trans along with the transfer case will be upgraded at the same time. I am already running aftermarket suspension which will be upgraded to a long arm and possible coil overs.

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Then it sounds like you're ready to go all they way on that thing! I hope you start a build thread! Where are you getting the HP60's from? Currie, or? Are you looking at replacing your stock transfer case with a Atlas?


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Looking at all my options on the 60s and yes on the atlas. My biggest thing is the Hemi and finding info on it.

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I just bought one. I thought this might help, if you have not seen their site.

http://www.arrowracingengines.com/geniiialuminumhemi.html



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Forget the Atlas transfercase, go with STAK. You might want to consider Spidertrax Spider 9 fabricated 9" housings. Then you can weld brackets anywhere you want with ease.

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Forget the Atlas transfercase, go with STAK. You might want to consider Spidertrax Spider 9 fabricated 9" housings. Then you can weld brackets anywhere you want with ease.



What's better with the STAK over the Atlas?


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The STAK is based off of the NP205 and the Atlas is based off the Dana 300. Size and strength. Both are made with same materials.

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The STAK is based off of the NP205 and the Atlas is based off the Dana 300. Size and strength. Both are made with same materials.



Good info. Thanks.


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Probably... Geez, what I give to own a car like that

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Hemifred probably bought the dart he likes silly stuff




Probably... Geez, what I give to own a car like that





Re: MOPAR 6.1L Hemi GEN III Hemi Aluminum Block [Re: blown572dart] #1429148
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Here's an aluminum G3 436 Hemi that was just finished up. I'm really impressed with the block. I'd give it 2

7693281-436hemi.jpg (291 downloads)

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Re: MOPAR 6.1L Hemi GEN III Hemi Aluminum Block [Re: hemidup] #1429149
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Hey jerry I really like your hold downs, collars and end plug set up. I'm thinking you will have to ship a set to Glendora Ca soon.

Can you give us any details on that build? What head studs?



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Re: MOPAR 6.1L Hemi GEN III Hemi Aluminum Block [Re: Just-a-dart] #1429150
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Hey jerry I really like your hold downs, collars and end plug set up. I'm thinking you will have to ship a set to Glendora Ca soon.

Can you give us any details on that build? What head studs?





^^^^^^^^^^ Details please

Re: MOPAR 6.1L Hemi GEN III Hemi Aluminum Block [Re: Just-a-dart] #1429151
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Untouched Apache heads, ARP stud's, Manley Beehive valve springs with steel retainer's. Sharadon rocker ties and end plugs with TWaters rockershaft clamps.


Jerry Williams.
Re: MOPAR 6.1L Hemi GEN III Hemi Aluminum Block [Re: hemidup] #1429152
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Jerry, where's the valley cover?

Re: MOPAR 6.1L Hemi GEN III Hemi Aluminum Block [Re: hemidup] #1429153
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Quote:

Untouched Apache heads, ARP stud's, Manley Beehive valve springs with steel retainer's. Sharadon rocker ties and end plugs with TWaters rockershaft clamps.




Nice. Were all of the studs in the kit long enough for deep engagement in the deck?



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Re: MOPAR 6.1L Hemi GEN III Hemi Aluminum Block [Re: hemidup] #1429154
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Untouched Apache heads, ARP stud's, Manley Beehive valve springs with steel retainer's. Sharadon rocker ties and end plugs with TWaters rockershaft clamps.




That thing is going to be an animal. I am interested to see what the Apaches can really do on a built motor.

Re: MOPAR 6.1L Hemi GEN III Hemi Aluminum Block [Re: SRT6776] #1429155
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Jimmy just go test drive a SRT 300C and be done with it you can thank me later

Re: MOPAR 6.1L Hemi GEN III Hemi Aluminum Block [Re: Just-a-dart] #1429156
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Untouched Apache heads, ARP stud's, Manley Beehive valve springs with steel retainer's. Sharadon rocker ties and end plugs with TWaters rockershaft clamps.




Nice. Were all of the studs in the kit long enough for deep engagement in the deck?




Yup.


Jerry Williams.
Re: MOPAR 6.1L Hemi GEN III Hemi Aluminum Block [Re: SRT6776] #1429157
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Untouched Apache heads, ARP stud's, Manley Beehive valve springs with steel retainer's. Sharadon rocker ties and end plugs with TWaters rockershaft clamps.




That thing is going to be an animal. I am interested to see what the Apaches can really do on a built motor.




There's a Kenny Bell blower sitting on top.


Jerry Williams.
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