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Oil leak from 426 Hemi valve cover oil breathers #1416322
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Guys,

I have OEM-style chrome valve covers on my 426 Hemi. The valve covers each have a filler tube with a push-on OEM-style breather. Obviously, they are not allowing the system to break enough because they constantly leak. After a hard acceleration, the caps almost push completely off!

What's the best fix? I considered leaving the one on the front driver's side and replacing the one at the rear passenger side with a PVC push-on cap like this: http://www.chicagoconnection.us/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=680

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Re: Oil leak from 426 Hemi valve cover oil breathers [Re: Cincylance] #1416323
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Guys,

I have OEM-style chrome valve covers on my 426 Hemi. The valve covers each have a filler tube with a push-on OEM-style breather. Obviously, they are not allowing the system to break enough because they constantly leak. After a hard acceleration, the caps almost push completely off!

What's the best fix? I considered leaving the one on the front driver's side and replacing the one at the rear passenger side with a PVC push-on cap like this: http://www.chicagoconnection.us/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=680

Help.
Cincylance


The solutions is not easy or cheap, if you want to fix the problem, crankcase pressures at WOT and or upper(above 4000 RPM) RPM I use to race a 1963 M.W. 415 HP NHRA stocker that would blow the push on breathers off in the burn out box , It had the stock OEM piston in the motor, the top rings had .009 or more side clearances on the top ring land I ended up safety wiring the caps onto one of the valve cover studs on each side I didn't lose anymore of them after that The soulution is to replace the bad parts, maybe even having to bore the block also if there is enough cylinder wall taper Good luck


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Re: Oil leak from 426 Hemi valve cover oil breathers [Re: Cincylance] #1416324
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Re: Oil leak from 426 Hemi valve cover oil breathers [Re: hemi-hunter] #1416325
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Vacume pumps are not that cheap anymore Untill a vacume pump can be installed,run a puke tank off each breather.

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Where can I buy some of these, like the one pictured?

Re: Oil leak from 426 Hemi valve cover oil breathers [Re: Cincylance] #1416327
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Where can I buy some of these, like the one pictured?




I use 2 on my hemi,one for each valve cover.They are made by moroso.They come in the black plastic or fabricated aluminum.You can get it at the local speed shop or mail order from jegs or e/bag

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Re: Oil leak from 426 Hemi valve cover oil breathers [Re: hemi-itis] #1416328
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vaccum pump is a permenant fix, puke tanks might work for a street motor but for a race motor vaccum pumps are a must. guys running these500+ inch motors and wonder why they are fighting all the oil leaks its massive crank case pressure.

Re: Oil leak from 426 Hemi valve cover oil breathers [Re: hemi-hunter] #1416329
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This is a 472 stroker street hemi making 625hp. I think the puke bottles might do the trick. I'm not crazy about the look, but it's better than the oil leaks!

Where can I get those caps with the single outlet?

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Took a quick look for ya,seems they come with a new set of covers,but can't find them individually sold.You can have mine in a month or so when I install new valve covers

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Took a quick look for ya,seems they come with a new set of covers,but can't find them individually sold.You can have mine in a month or so when I install new valve covers




Wow, I think I might take you up on that offer! From the pic it appears your new covers are already installed.

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625 hp that's more race than street, you will get the vaccum pump when you get tired of fight the oil leaks and if your getting that much crankcase pressure your rings are not seating. vaccum pump probly pick up 40 HP on your deal

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625 hp that's more race than street, you will get the vaccum pump when you get tired of fight the oil leaks and if your getting that much crankcase pressure your rings are not seating. vaccum pump probly pick up 40 HP on your deal




I am ignorant about what a vacuum pump actually does...even after reading over the website you posted in your original response. Actually, I'm ignorant about why there is excessive pressure in the crankcase. Is it a sign of a poorly built engine or a tightly built engine?

Thanks for the advice!

Re: Oil leak from 426 Hemi valve cover oil breathers [Re: Cincylance] #1416334
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Took a quick look for ya,seems they come with a new set of covers,but can't find them individually sold.You can have mine in a month or so when I install new valve covers




Wow, I think I might take you up on that offer! From the pic it appears your new covers are already installed.




That was a mock up session,still have some mods to do before the actual install.

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Wow, that's tight! What body? Is it like a mid-60's a-body?

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Wow, that's tight! What body? Is it like a mid-60's a-body?




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625 hp that's more race than street, you will get the vaccum pump when you get tired of fight the oil leaks and if your getting that much crankcase pressure your rings are not seating. vaccum pump probly pick up 40 HP on your deal




I am ignorant about what a vacuum pump actually does...even after reading over the website you posted in your original response. Actually, I'm ignorant about why there is excessive pressure in the crankcase. Is it a sign of a poorly built engine or a tightly built engine?

Thanks for the advice!


You should do, or have it done, both a leak down test and compression tests to see what the ring seal is like both cold and warm Excessive crankcase pressure is what is blowing the breathers caps up My 518 C.I. pump gas B motor(400 block) would blow the tight fitting oil dipstick up out of the dipstick tube at WOT above 6000 RPM during a run in the 1/4 mile until I added a additional screw in breather cap and a addional PCV valve, one in each cast aluminum valve cover I used a vacume Tee to feed both PCV, they don't work at WOT but they do increase the idle vacume leakage which was a good thing in my case They definetly help suck any blowby out of the crankcase at idle or part throttle Being a Hemi(your motor) you may need to add two additional breather tubes to run four breathers or two breather caps and two PCV valves I did that(four breather caps) on the last blown street hemi motor I built for a custmomer, it had fabricated aluminum valve covers on it like shown in the pictures above It worked good, that motor made 927 HP at 7300 RPM with 7 lbs of boost (4.25 bore with 4.375 stroke, crankshaft scraper and windage tray) No oil leaks on the dyno If you do add two addiational breather tubes make sure and have oil baffles added under the tube holes also


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Thank you for the reply. This is a high dollar Ray Barton hemi built about 10 years ago, with approx. 4k miles on it. It's set up right, just has a lot of crankcase pressure when it's wound up. I'm going to start with breather mods first and see if that helps. Previous owner who built the car said he had luck just keeping the breathers clean, so I plan to start there.


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Thank you for the reply. This is a high dollar Ray Barton hemi built about 10 years ago, with approx. 4k miles on it. It's set up right, just has a lot of crankcase pressure when it's wound up. I'm going to start with breather mods first and see if that helps. Previous owner who built the car said he had luck just keeping the breathers clean, so I plan to start there.






Nice ride!! Are you still on the westside??

Gonna stop by Willies on Weds nights this summer on Glenway ave where the old Texas roadhouse used to be?

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My 472 drolled on itself. Installed a pcv valve on passenger side and vented to manifold and cured it

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Cincylance...do you know if this motor has standard or low tension oil rings in it?


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Guys,

I have OEM-style chrome valve covers on my 426 Hemi. The valve covers each have a filler tube with a push-on OEM-style breather. Obviously, they are not allowing the system to break enough because they constantly leak. After a hard acceleration, the caps almost push completely off!

What's the best fix? I considered leaving the one on the front driver's side and replacing the one at the rear passenger side with a PVC push-on cap like this: http://www.chicagoconnection.us/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=680

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These are what I am going to use. They have an internal shelf... a z shape internally.I got them straight from kb. They bolt on and have no wire mesh inside to collect oil. Plus they have a nostalgia look.



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Nice ride!! Are you still on the westside??

Gonna stop by Willies on Weds nights this summer on Glenway ave where the old Texas roadhouse used to be?




Sounds like fun! Is that every Weds? What time?


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My 472 drolled on itself. Installed a pcv valve on passenger side and vented to manifold and cured it




That sounds promising! Wasn't sure if this might lean out the back cylinders though (intake has an inlet at the back).


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Cincylance...do you know if this motor has standard or low tension oil rings in it?




Yes, it has low-tension rings.



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I started out with 1 push on breather and a PCV valve, went out and thrashed the car and popped off the breather and lost it. I then went to a K&N style breather and a PCV valve and the breather would stay on but I had a small rear main leak, only when I thrashed it and the breather would be oil soaked. I then added baffle plates inside the valve covers, got rid of the PCV valve and added another K&N breather and no more rear main leak and no more oil soaked breathers.

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Since you have low tension rings, the breather setup like Hemi-itis showed you is what you ought to do. A vacuum pump is what it really needs though. I have low tension rings in my hemi and tried to use just breathers on the valve covers for a while...it slobbered oil everywhere when you romped on it. I ended up putting a vacuum pump on it.


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'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
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My 512 / 518 C.i. street motor had low tension oil rings when I first put it together, it was a bear on crankcase pressure, epscially above 6000 RPM I ended up replacing those rings with the a set of file to fit moly rings with standard tension oil rings and it got a lot better Adding the second breather cap and the other PCV valve helped also BYW, going to the standard tension oil rings did NOT hurt the power, ET or MPH, if anything it helped all three by having less oil in the combustion chambers when revved up above 5000 RPM

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