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Re: 1971 Challenger Conversion from Auto to Manual
[Re: Ludington1]
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11/10/08 08:46 PM
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Ludington1
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Back together - 2
You can see at the far left side the small zinc plate on the firewall. This is the inside of where the clutch master cylinder mounts.
Of these pics, the one that is missing is how I patched the floor after the trans was in there. I used the Keisler sheetmetal, as provided in the kit. I bent it to the shape I needed, and wrapped it top and bottom in this heavy roofing material from Home Depot. It comes in a roll and is about 8" wide, very sticky black tar on one side and metallic layer on the other side. This is great for heat/sound deadening. I covered the sheetmetal piece with this stuff, and it is in there with sheetmetal screws currently. If I ever tear down the car for proper paint/body, I will put it in there better, but for now it seals just fine and the car is noisy anyway because it is a convertible. I'll try to get pics of that part soon, but I will have to pull the passenger seat and console to get to it.
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Re: 1971 Challenger Conversion from Auto to Manual
[Re: boydsdodge]
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11/10/08 08:51 PM
11/10/08 08:51 PM
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DAYCLONA
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Jackson
Bad news!....you'll have to put in a 4spd hump,and buy a new carpet and I fully recommend cutting any part of the floor that interferes with attaining a proper driveline angle, the Keisler E body shifter will "appear" were a factory 4 spd pistol grip would,.....I'd recommend, cutting the floor, hold off welding the 4 spd hump in, install the tranny and shifter,phase the driveline, you don't need a drive shaft for that, but you do need an inclination degree wheel.....begin by mesuring your rear pinion angle with the car on the ground, fully equipped as if you were going to drive it, then measure the transmisson, and adjust/ shim/ modify/ whatever to phase your driveline,or rear end.....then install the hump, based on shifter location (centered in hole), tack into place, seam seal, finish install
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Re: 1971 Challenger Conversion from Auto to Manual
[Re: fritzo34]
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11/10/08 10:55 PM
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I just did the keisler conversion in my 70 challenger. I replaced the auto tunnel with the correct 4 speed one. After this was complete I sitll had clearance issues. The kit came with an extra piece of flat sheet metal and a template to use it if you still had problems, and of course I did. Also,I've heard the ebody's have greater clearance issues. So after all this was done it was a fairly big mod. Oh and the pedals are the easiest part of the conversion! Just lube up the bolt with some wd-40 a few days before you do the pedals.
Last edited by boomerodell; 11/10/08 11:04 PM.
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Re: 1971 Challenger Conversion from Auto to Manual
[Re: boydsdodge]
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11/13/08 09:07 AM
11/13/08 09:07 AM
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Thank you very much for your time.
I hope the pic comes thru.
If I hook the push rod up to the correct hole it sits about 1.5" to 2 " away from the bump stop as you say yours is.
Thanks again.
Oops sorry... forgot the pic. I'll get something better today.
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Re: 1971 Challenger Conversion from Auto to Manual
[Re: boydsdodge]
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11/13/08 01:56 PM
11/13/08 01:56 PM
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Ludington1
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That's the hole I am using, and I am 1.75" away from rubber stop.
You are supposed to put the spacer on the other side of the pedal so your push rod is straighter.
Thanks for the picture I am going to work with it in that hole.
I asked Jeff at Keisler, but he wasn't sure and said that a tech would contact me with the info.
I haven't herd back from him yet.
I'll try and measure and get a better pic this afternoon. With my spacer on the other side the rod hits my brake switch housing, and the rod is actually pretty straight the way I have it. I think the best solution would be to cut that spacer in half and put half on each side, that would work in my case.
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Re: 1971 Challenger Conversion from Auto to Manual
[Re: boydsdodge]
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11/14/08 09:28 AM
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Tennessee
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Cool thanks, I be working on mine tomorrow afternoon so I'll get a few pics out.
We have several different lengths available for the push rods. Give me a call and we can have you take an easy measurement so we can send out a longer rod for the master.
Keisler Engineering www.keislerauto.com#1 Choice of Overdrive Transmissions with Over 14,000 Sold
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Re: 1971 Challenger Conversion from Auto to Manual
[Re: DAYCLONA]
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11/14/08 09:33 AM
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Tennessee
Keisler Sales
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Jackson
Bad news!....you'll have to put in a 4spd hump,and buy a new carpet and I fully recommend cutting any part of the floor that interferes with attaining a proper driveline angle, the Keisler E body shifter will "appear" were a factory 4 spd pistol grip would,.....I'd recommend, cutting the floor, hold off welding the 4 spd hump in, install the tranny and shifter,phase the driveline, you don't need a drive shaft for that, but you do need an inclination degree wheel.....begin by mesuring your rear pinion angle with the car on the ground, fully equipped as if you were going to drive it, then measure the transmisson, and adjust/ shim/ modify/ whatever to phase your driveline,or rear end.....then install the hump, based on shifter location (centered in hole), tack into place, seam seal, finish install
I wouldn't necessarily use the words "bad news". In the event you wanted to put in a 4spd you would have to install the 4spd hump. In some instances you will have another piece of sheet metal for the right side of the tunnel. This comes in most cases when guys are working out the driveline angles.
When finished the car will appear stock looking and the shifter will come out in the correct location in the center of the 4sp console.
Keisler Engineering www.keislerauto.com#1 Choice of Overdrive Transmissions with Over 14,000 Sold
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when I cruising the highway......that tar base adhjesive will start stinkin, and becoming gooey.......just tellin ya now! 
