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Re: Goldmember - follow this link [Re: dogdays] #1397110
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http://www.summitracing.com/parts/hrs-91116-1/overview/

Follow this link to see Howard's "EDM" lifters. They don't have flats on the side, they have a hole in the lifter foot.

R.


I though this was covered,they are NOT EDM,don't believe everything you read. Call Howard's if you want to verify the truth on these.

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I see what Dogdays is talking about. After clicking on the link you have to click on the writing in the upper right where is says.......Howards cam direct lube flat tappet lifters. That takes you to the site that says they have a .021 hole in the face of the lifter which is EDM laser cut. Ron

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I see what Dogdays is talking about. After clicking on the link you have to click on the writing in the upper right where is says.......Howards cam direct lube flat tappet lifters. That takes you to the site that says they have a .021 hole in the face of the lifter which is EDM laser cut. Ron


I give up!!

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I see what Dogdays is talking about. After clicking on the link you have to click on the writing in the upper right where is says.......Howards cam direct lube flat tappet lifters. That takes you to the site that says they have a .021 hole in the face of the lifter which is EDM laser cut. Ron


I give up!!




So are you saying that Howard's listing in the Summit ad is a lie? Why would they be saying that the hole is there if it isn't?

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I see what Dogdays is talking about. After clicking on the link you have to click on the writing in the upper right where is says.......Howards cam direct lube flat tappet lifters. That takes you to the site that says they have a .021 hole in the face of the lifter which is EDM laser cut. Ron


I give up!!




So are you saying that Howard's listing in the Summit ad is a lie? Why would they be saying that the hole is there if it isn't?


I used the term misprint many posts ago,I guess it just flew right over some heads. You can check and find out if it's an EDM or NOT,easy to do. I like the guy with the hammer,I think he needs more use in this thread. Anyone find a EDM hyd lifter for a mopar,chevy,yogo yet? Now I'm really out!

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I see what Dogdays is talking about. After clicking on the link you have to click on the writing in the upper right where is says.......Howards cam direct lube flat tappet lifters. That takes you to the site that says they have a .021 hole in the face of the lifter which is EDM laser cut. Ron


I give up!!




So are you saying that Howard's listing in the Summit ad is a lie? Why would they be saying that the hole is there if it isn't?


I used the term misprint many posts ago,I guess it just flew right over some heads. You can check and find out if it's an EDM or NOT,easy to do. I like the guy with the hammer,I think he needs more use in this thread. Anyone find a EDM hyd lifter for a mopar,chevy,yogo yet? Now I'm really out!




Goldmember I did not read every post on this thread as I did read the part where you stated they have the flat on the sides of them. Have you actually seen one the the Howards so called EDM hydraulic lifters ? I have never used or seen them as I have only used the Comp Solid EDM lifters but it does state they have the EDM laser hole in the bottom of them which I assume is what you are saying is a missprint ? Thats why I ask if you have actually bought or seen one ? I do see the flat on the sides when I blew up the pic. No reason to get upset as I was just stating what the add said and I guess I missed your earlier post where you say that is a missprint which you may be right as thats why I ask how you know that ? Ron

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I see what Dogdays is talking about. After clicking on the link you have to click on the writing in the upper right where is says.......Howards cam direct lube flat tappet lifters. That takes you to the site that says they have a .021 hole in the face of the lifter which is EDM laser cut. Ron


I give up!!




So are you saying that Howard's listing in the Summit ad is a lie? Why would they be saying that the hole is there if it isn't?


I used the term misprint many posts ago,I guess it just flew right over some heads. You can check and find out if it's an EDM or NOT,easy to do. I like the guy with the hammer,I think he needs more use in this thread. Anyone find a EDM hyd lifter for a mopar,chevy,yogo yet? Now I'm really out!




Goldmember I did not read every post on this thread as I did read the part where you stated they have the flat on the sides of them. Have you actually seen one the the Howards so called EDM hydraulic lifters ? I have never used or seen them as I have only used the Comp Solid EDM lifters but it does state they have the EDM laser hole in the bottom of them which I assume is what you are saying is a missprint ? Thats why I ask if you have actually bought or seen one ? I do see the flat on the sides when I blew up the pic. No reason to get upset as I was just stating what the add said and I guess I missed your earlier post where you say that is a missprint which you may be right as thats why I ask how you know that ? Ron


I'm NOT upset,just amused by all this. Solid lifters are not the question. The lifters that have been linked as EDM hyd lifters are NOT but do increase oiling to the cam. Simple really. I guess I'm just watching a goofy train wreck and enjoying it,sort of like when folks pass a road accident and have to take a look.

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I see what Dogdays is talking about. After clicking on the link you have to click on the writing in the upper right where is says.......Howards cam direct lube flat tappet lifters. That takes you to the site that says they have a .021 hole in the face of the lifter which is EDM laser cut. Ron


I give up!!




So are you saying that Howard's listing in the Summit ad is a lie? Why would they be saying that the hole is there if it isn't?


I used the term misprint many posts ago,I guess it just flew right over some heads. You can check and find out if it's an EDM or NOT,easy to do. I like the guy with the hammer,I think he needs more use in this thread. Anyone find a EDM hyd lifter for a mopar,chevy,yogo yet? Now I'm really out!




Goldmember I did not read every post on this thread as I did read the part where you stated they have the flat on the sides of them. Have you actually seen one the the Howards so called EDM hydraulic lifters ? I have never used or seen them as I have only used the Comp Solid EDM lifters but it does state they have the EDM laser hole in the bottom of them which I assume is what you are saying is a missprint ? Thats why I ask if you have actually bought or seen one ? I do see the flat on the sides when I blew up the pic. No reason to get upset as I was just stating what the add said and I guess I missed your earlier post where you say that is a missprint which you may be right as thats why I ask how you know that ? Ron


I'm NOT upset,just amused by all this. Solid lifters are not the question. The lifters that have been linked as EDM hyd lifters are NOT but do increase oiling to the cam. Simple really. I guess I'm just watching a goofy train wreck and enjoying it,sort of like when folks pass a road accident and have to take a look.




You must work for the current dictator , you didn't answer the question ..

Have you actually seen with your own 2 eyes the Howards hyd. lifters with the flat on the side and not a hole in the bottom as they claim on their website ?

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Crower part number 66031X3-16 if anyone is interested in the crowers.

http://www.crower.com/media/pdf/2008b/140-141.pdf

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Crower part number 66031X3-16 if anyone is interested in the crowers.

http://www.crower.com/media/pdf/2008b/140-141.pdf




That is not the lifter in question but is the lifter I suggested and have used . I didn't do a comarision yet but be warned that is a AMC spec lifter also so it may require a different length pushrod , the engine I used it in had adjustable pushrods with stamped rockers .

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Crower part number 66031X3-16 if anyone is interested in the crowers.

http://www.crower.com/media/pdf/2008b/140-141.pdf




That is not the lifter in question but is the lifter I suggested and have used .




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Crower part number 66031X3-16 if anyone is interested in the crowers.

http://www.crower.com/media/pdf/2008b/140-141.pdf




That is not the lifter in question but is the lifter I suggested and have used .




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Re: Any one sell EDM Hydraulic lifters for Mopar? [Re: RapidRobert] #1397122
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I've wondered about drilling them myself with a cobalt bit tho if it was that easy I guess there'd be no need for the EDM process




I'd like to see that tried. Years ago I tried to drill some lube passages in a solid u-joint cross with a 1/8" cobalt bit. After breaking a few bits and only getting a hole about 1/4" deep I decided it wasn't to be.


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I see what Dogdays is talking about. After clicking on the link you have to click on the writing in the upper right where is says.......Howards cam direct lube flat tappet lifters. That takes you to the site that says they have a .021 hole in the face of the lifter which is EDM laser cut. Ron


I give up!!




So are you saying that Howard's listing in the Summit ad is a lie? Why would they be saying that the hole is there if it isn't?


I used the term misprint many posts ago,I guess it just flew right over some heads. You can check and find out if it's an EDM or NOT,easy to do. I like the guy with the hammer,I think he needs more use in this thread. Anyone find a EDM hyd lifter for a mopar,chevy,yogo yet? Now I'm really out!




Goldmember I did not read every post on this thread as I did read the part where you stated they have the flat on the sides of them. Have you actually seen one the the Howards so called EDM hydraulic lifters ? I have never used or seen them as I have only used the Comp Solid EDM lifters but it does state they have the EDM laser hole in the bottom of them which I assume is what you are saying is a missprint ? Thats why I ask if you have actually bought or seen one ? I do see the flat on the sides when I blew up the pic. No reason to get upset as I was just stating what the add said and I guess I missed your earlier post where you say that is a missprint which you may be right as thats why I ask how you know that ? Ron


I'm NOT upset,just amused by all this. Solid lifters are not the question. The lifters that have been linked as EDM hyd lifters are NOT but do increase oiling to the cam. Simple really. I guess I'm just watching a goofy train wreck and enjoying it,sort of like when folks pass a road accident and have to take a look.




You must work for the current dictator , you didn't answer the question ..

Have you actually seen with your own 2 eyes the Howards hyd. lifters with the flat on the side and not a hole in the bottom as they claim on their website ?


WTF are you talking about? Yes I am sure the lifters that are being linked are NOT EDM! How many times do I need to repeat that??? Go order a set and report your official findings on them. I tried to save some folks some time on a stupid idea,pretty simple as I do not make any $$ for doing so. If there was a market for EDM HYD lifters I'm sure Comp or someone would have found a cheap source for the suckers that would fork out the cash for them. It's not as simple as EDMing a freakin hole in the foot to the interior. Got it yet??? I'm LOLMAO

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Relatively sure no one cares at this point, but EDM
stands for "electrical discharge machining", saw one at one of my best friends' machine shop (they later sold it),It looked kinda like a drill press but lower, and had a holder where the chuck would be, and you used a specified size electrode and amperage(?) to burn a precision hole in metal.They used it IIRC to core a few broken studs and decided it wasn't a tool they would use often.

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Relatively sure no one cares at this point, but EDM
stands for "electrical discharge machining", saw one at one of my best friends' machine shop (they later sold it),It looked kinda like a drill press but lower, and had a holder where the chuck would be, and you used a specified size electrode and amperage(?) to burn a precision hole in metal.They used it IIRC to core a few broken studs and decided it wasn't a tool they would use often.



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Relatively sure no one cares at this point, but EDM
stands for "electrical discharge machining", saw one at one of my best friends' machine shop (they later sold it),It looked kinda like a drill press but lower, and had a holder where the chuck would be, and you used a specified size electrode and amperage(?) to burn a precision hole in metal.They used it IIRC to core a few broken studs and decided it wasn't a tool they would use often.




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WTF are you talking about? Yes I am sure the lifters that are being linked are NOT EDM! How many times do I need to repeat that??? Go order a set and report your official findings on them. I tried to save some folks some time on a stupid idea,pretty simple as I do not make any $$ for doing so. If there was a market for EDM HYD lifters I'm sure Comp or someone would have found a cheap source for the suckers that would fork out the cash for them. It's not as simple as EDMing a freakin hole in the foot to the interior. Got it yet??? I'm LOLMAO




All I have seen from you is speculation of a misprint, nothing factual, just speculation.

The Crower lifters with the flat claim a 1-2 psi drop in oil pressure , how much oil pressure do you THINK is being lost between the cam and lobe that has the oil film as the amount of clearance?


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WTF are you talking about? Yes I am sure the lifters that are being linked are NOT EDM! How many times do I need to repeat that??? Go order a set and report your official findings on them. I tried to save some folks some time on a stupid idea,pretty simple as I do not make any $$ for doing so. If there was a market for EDM HYD lifters I'm sure Comp or someone would have found a cheap source for the suckers that would fork out the cash for them. It's not as simple as EDMing a freakin hole in the foot to the interior. Got it yet??? I'm LOLMAO




What are you talking about ? what makes you so sure , you are still not answering the question that was asked of you .

That is the way I am reading you hieroglyphics on the subject, you have NEVER actually seen, purchased or talked to anyone . All you are doing is speculating.

Comp has found a bigger money maker , they nitride the cams at a cost of $150 ...


I've done the research,now it's your turn. NO I don't need to handle one to know whats going on,but maybe you do??? Nitriding a flat tappet is silly but I shouldn't say that on the net as some are still spending the $$$. You got it yet?

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I ordered a flat tappet cam today,no nitride,no oiling lifters . 160lbs seat 20lbs boost no worries. I'll let everyone know if it goes flat Back to the hyd crap,its not worth worrying about unless you buy crap parts or just unlucky.

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