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drive shaft strength #1396630
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had my d shaft shortened. the place that did the work says its only good to 600hp. steel 3" .083" wall thickness and spicer 1350's. what do you guys think would be max power-torque off t brake with 3300# car? thanks

Re: drive shaft strength [Re: mopar dave] #1396631
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had my d shaft shortened. the place that did the work says its only good to 600hp. steel 3" .083" wall thickness and spicer 1350's. what do you guys think would be max power-torque off t brake with 3300# car? thanks


You didn't give tube length, so I used 50". With that, you would reach critical speed at 7,889 rpm. The shorter the tube, the higher the rpm before you would reach critical shaft speed. Even though you are probably ok on the rpm, I would step up to a 3.5" shaft if I were you - for strength reasons. FYI, at 3.5" your critical speed would be 9,241rpm. You already got bullet proof U-joints.


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I think it was 44 or 45 inch. small block with 727.

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I think it was 44 or 45 inch. small block with 727.


45" shaft = critical rpm is 9,740. Mid 10's at 128 will put you very close to 600HP. I run your ET's and speeds with a 3700 lb car. I decided to go with a 3.5" DOM shaft ( about 52" long ). Same 1350 joints. You will probably be ok with your 3" shaft.


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Re: drive shaft strength [Re: mopar dave] #1396634
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had my d shaft shortened. the place that did the work says its only good to 600hp. steel 3" .083" wall thickness and spicer 1350's. what do you guys think would be max power-torque off t brake with 3300# car? thanks




A 3" DOM would be much better... I use a 3.5" at
39" on the Rampage and thats 550hp but its only a
7000 rpm engine and torque is 520

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whats DOM?

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That is how it is formed Drawn Over Mandrel different then Electric welded, you do not see a seam on DOM



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whats DOM?


Drawn Over Mandrel. It's a step above rolled tubing strength wise. Most stock shafts are rolled and welded. I assumed that you had a DOM shaft. If not, you definitely need to go that route no matter what size tube you use.

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Mines welded on both ends

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They're talking about the tube itself, not the welds to the yokes All of the cheap driveshafts, roll cages etc use ERW tube instead of DOM. DOM is stronger but more expensive.

ERW = Electric Resistance Welded
DOM = Drawn Over Mandrel



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Re: drive shaft strength [Re: mopar dave] #1396640
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Mines welded on both ends




If he said Steel.... thats mild steel(with the seam)...
at the length and your dia you want DOM

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Ok than. Mine is Dom,no seam. A driveshaft shop in Lansing made it. I think there gone now.

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Ok than. Mine is Dom,no seam. A driveshaft shop in Lansing made it. I think there gone now.




If its painted you most likely wont see the seam...
the outside of the seam is scraped clean during the
welding process... the inner isnt scraped... if its
not painted you will see a blue line if its mild steel

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Wasn't painted when new and I don't remember any seams or blue lines. I'll look the receipt up tomorrow and see,but what I remember is it was cm .083 wall. It measures 43".

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had my d shaft shortened. the place that did the work says its only good to 600hp. steel 3" .083" wall thickness and spicer 1350's. what do you guys think would be max power-torque off t brake with 3300# car? thanks





Driveshafts don't really 'see' horsepower but will certainly have a torque limit. OE shafts are only 0.060" thick and unknown material and have been used in much more demanding applications reliably. I think you've got plenty of safety factor and shouldn't worry about it. Of course that's assuming it's in good condition without dents or scrapes and with minimal runout.

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I just ordered up a set of 3.5" 1350 spicer shaft ends and a 3.5" spicer .083 tube....shipped was less than 120$.....

welding it up to 53.5 center to center and using my hardened moser powerglide yoke I already had...using my old spicer 1350 solid u-joints I got laying around....

Lets see if it will hold up behind the twin 408 in the 5th aveneu!....oh yea, the spicer tube is welded seam...I just can't see spicer selling it if it can't handle a lot of brute force!!!!!!!


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I think my d shaft is the mild steel. says custom steel on receipt,what ever that meens. does have seem down the middle longways.
called dennys d shaft. he recommends the nitrous ready 3" with spicer 1350's. good to 700hp and with cm slip joint good to 800. look like i'm gonna have to speed some money.

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I think my d shaft is the mild steel. says custom steel on receipt,what ever that meens. does have seem down the middle longways.
called dennys d shaft. he recommends the nitrous ready 3" with spicer 1350's. good to 700hp and with cm slip joint good to 800. look like i'm gonna have to speed some money.




Call Dynotech down here in Troy

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are they a d shaft shop or do they do other things there as well? got their number? thanks

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ok found their site. should I get dom or cm? i'll have to call for pricing.

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