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Re: 440 Source Super Stealth Heads [Re: Old School] #1396277
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Who cares.





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Now Josh don't be mean Just because they do work for most people and 440 Source ARE GOOD PEOPLE TO DEAL WITH unlike Indy.




it,s just more of the same ol, same ol, indy arrogance




Who cares? People with a real world budget, that's who. I can't speak for Indys customer service as I have never been able to afford anything from them but the one time I talked to them at the Mopar nationals they seemed nice enough


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Re: 440 Source Super Stealth Heads [Re: LaRoy Engines] #1396278
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Heyoldguy, have you flowed edelbrock rpm's? How do they measure up?


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Re: 440 Source Super Stealth Heads [Re: 19polara64] #1396279
03/04/13 11:32 AM
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Heyoldguy, have you flowed edelbrock rpm's? How do they measure up?




I have the Edelbrocks as a little better flowing OOTB and with the same potential as the Stealth when ported.

Re: 440 Source Super Stealth Heads [Re: EchoSixMike] #1396280
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Yes, that is for a regular Stealth. What would be your frame of reference for "level of work"? It's just enough work to get the listed flows.




Frame of reference? Whatever you're comfortable with, I guess. What do you charge for that head at that flow would be my 1st choice, so it can be factored against buying a different head. If it takes 5hrs per port, a bunch of welding and epoxy, so you're looking at $2k labor right off then it just makes more sense to go Victors or B-1's from the beginning. I mean for racing, it makes sense to do that anyways but the vast majority of mopar guys seem to want to squeeze a turnip for blood

BTW, thanks for posting, it seems that a lot of folks want to attack you, for whatever reason, and I appreciate that you keep going. S/F.....Ken M




I'll presume you got your PM. The Stealth wasn't designed as a race head but you can convince it to perform in a very respectable fashion. If you already own a pair they can get you into the 700+ horsepower range cheaper than buying a new set of other heads and having them ported. A set of good flowing heads never ends up cheap even if they start out at $500/each complete.

The Super Stealth is a puzzle. You can get some decent flows from it easier than the Stealth but it's only real purpose seems to come down to it's external looks. It sorta looks stock, you know stealthy, secret, covert, clandestine, furtive. How much is that worth?

Re: 440 Source Super Stealth Heads [Re: LaRoy Engines] #1396281
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The Super Stealth is a puzzle. You can get some decent flows from it easier than the Stealth but it's only real purpose seems to come down to it's external looks. It sorta looks stock, you know stealthy, secret, covert, clandestine, furtive. How much is that worth?



To me??? Zero,Zilch,Nada! My question was how much does is cost to prep these heads? Is it worth it? Wouldn't it be better to use an assembled stealth and go from there?


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Re: 440 Source Super Stealth Heads [Re: RROD] #1396282
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heyoldguy - You need to post some good pics and detailed runner dimensions like cross-section areas and runner volumes for your ported Stealth heads that make those big #s. You seem to be the only person on the planet who can get that much out of that style of head, which makes it hard for myself (and others, I expect) to believe them.

Re: 440 Source Super Stealth Heads [Re: PorkyPig] #1396283
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No I don't. If I'm the only person on the planet than can get those flows, why would I do that? Don't believe it, that's fine. I've posted enough comparison flows as benchmarks from other cylinder heads. If that isn't enough, oh well, I guess it really is impossible.

Re: 440 Source Super Stealth Heads [Re: tboomer] #1396284
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The Super Stealth is a puzzle. You can get some decent flows from it easier than the Stealth but it's only real purpose seems to come down to it's external looks. It sorta looks stock, you know stealthy, secret, covert, clandestine, furtive. How much is that worth?



To me??? Zero,Zilch,Nada! My question was how much does is cost to prep these heads? Is it worth it? Wouldn't it be better to use an assembled stealth and go from there?




Cost to prep them, prep them for what? Is it worth it? It depends on what the assembled Stealth head is being used for and what parts you already have on hand. I would rather start with the standard Stealth head.

Re: 440 Source Super Stealth Heads [Re: LaRoy Engines] #1396285
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I have the Edelbrocks as a little better flowing OOTB and with the same potential as the Stealth when ported.






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Re: 440 Source Super Stealth Heads [Re: Von] #1396286
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Just for the he11uva it, I did a Google search "Jim LaRoy" cylinder heads and saw some links to the Mopar Muscle engine competitions that he (heyoldguy) and his son have been in. Looks like they kind of do things their own way and made some pretty respectable HP.

Re: 440 Source Super Stealth Heads [Re: LaRoy Engines] #1396287
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The Super Stealth is a puzzle. You can get some decent flows from it easier than the Stealth but it's only real purpose seems to come down to it's external looks. It sorta looks stock, you know stealthy, secret, covert, clandestine, furtive. How much is that worth?



To me??? Zero,Zilch,Nada! My question was how much does is cost to prep these heads? Is it worth it? Wouldn't it be better to use an assembled stealth and go from there?




Cost to prep them, prep them for what? Is it worth it? It depends on what the assembled Stealth head is being used for and what parts you already have on hand. I would rather start with the standard Stealth head.




FWIW...We made more power with a hand port job using their standard head than we did with their ported head.


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Re: 440 Source Super Stealth Heads [Re: PorkyPig] #1396288
03/05/13 11:27 AM
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heyoldguy - You need to post some good pics and detailed runner dimensions like cross-section areas and runner volumes for your ported Stealth heads that make those big #s. You seem to be the only person on the planet who can get that much out of that style of head, which makes it hard for myself (and others, I expect) to believe them.





Re: 440 Source Super Stealth Heads [Re: clonedshaker+6] #1396289
03/05/13 03:15 PM
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does anyone have a picture of the stealth heads next to 906's, 346's, 915's, or any of the good iron heads, im curious to see how "stealth" these heads actually are, i was tossing around the idea of getting the stealth heads that have been ported by modern cylinder head from 440source then getting better locks retainers and springs for my car over the factory iron heads, but the car still needs metal work so the engine combo is undecided besides 440 sixpack but i want as close to factory look as possible, and are these heads even worth getting for that matter




if you are only using a six pack, then the stealth or super stealth without porting is fine.

if you want race level stuff something fast get better heads, a single plane or tunnel ram and a big single or 2x double pumpers and pack in enough compression to make things happen.

but for street performance with a six pack the stealths are fine.

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