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Re: What it cost me to build the first ever running 392 G3 [Re: hemidup] #1392498
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I am not Jerry, but 6.1 block I bought came fully machined from dodge dealer.



Thanks Rick. Is the 6.1 a direct replacement for a 5.7 with different pistons, or what else changes? I have an early 5.7 now, but have a good stroker crank and rods.





Same stroke 3.58.
6.1 is forged.
Bores are different 3.92 for the 5.7 and 4.55 iirc for the 6.1. The 6.1 has floating piston pin.




The factory 5.7 has a 3.917 bore and the 6.1 has a 4.055".

I might add that with the early blocks, the quality was exceptional..you really didn't have to do anything to them if you could live with a .002" difference in deck height and maybe touch up the cylinders with a plateau finish hone depending on ring choice. With the later blocks I would highly recommend to align hone the main bearing housing.




Yup I messed that up

Re: What it cost me to build the first ever running 392 G3 [Re: MattW] #1392499
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This is great info! Thanks for sharing guys!



Rick, may I ask who did your porting and head work to your heads? Any numbers on them?

Re: What it cost me to build the first ever running 392 G3 [Re: mshred] #1392500
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As some on this thread know, mine is a carb inducted 6.1 going in an Aussie A Body...and is getting close to completion.

I run the std aussie steering box location and power brakes. RMVB and no power steer or air con.


6.1 Crate Hemi (Thanks Bob Mazz) $5,250


MSD Harness 88864 $185
MSD 6013 ECU $475
MP Flex plate adapter - P5153753 $85
Jeep Alternator, AL6475X $210
Sump - MIL31000, $205.00
Pick up - MIL18331 $75.95
Dipstick and Tube - MIL 22064 $58.95
Oil plate Adapter - MIL 21566 $34.95
Oil Pan bolts - MIL-85025 $11.95
Oil Pick up stud - 6506333-AA $2.50
Oil Stud Nut - # 6502756 $1.90
Bearing Cap Bolt - 06506272AA $3.70
Oil block off TTI - PN 0200-FBP $68.00
ModMan Manifold - Marsh Performance $490
Electric Fans $120
Champion radiator CC1643 $210
P//Steer delete pulley -Street&Perf $188
Headers - Street and Performance $673
Belt tensioner 4861277AD $30
Tensioner Bolt $12
Idler Pulley $27
Idler pulley bolt $2
Throttle spring and cable Lokar $120
Trans dipstick Lokar $88


Everything was purchased in the US - so prices are $US.

Main issues -

TTI Mounts MM57A, - $140 - Needed serious modification, including cutting and welding - Guys in the US have had similar issues - TTI aren't interested.

Motor ends up too high at the front and "skewed". Final estimated workshop cost - $300

Headers - Took a gamble that the "shorty" "tight tuck" headers from Street and Performance would fit - Right side was a disaster (Mainly due to our steering box location) .....total re-fabrication - $1400 total outlay inc labour.

(This was NOT S&Ps fault...the work still cost less than custom pipes)

Brake booster bracket - Our booster and M/cylinder is on the right side. The booster interferes with coil pack removal due ti the offset of the K frame.

- so an offset bracket is required. Fortunately a local guy makes them. - $120

So if you have a carb - the intake and ignition is not the costly part of the job.

Pipes and mounts and brake booster on the other hand....


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Re: What it cost me to build the first ever running 392 G3 [Re: Moparmal] #1392501
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I saw Jerrys truck go down the track...I thought what the heck is in that thing!! Pretty nice guy to talk with,too!


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Re: What it cost me to build the first ever running 392 G3 [Re: tboomer] #1392502
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I saw Jerrys truck go down the track...I thought what the heck is in that thing!! Pretty nice guy to talk with,too!




Thanks Ted and your a pretty nice guy to talk with too.

Yeah, my truck sure draws alot of attention. Its been nicknamed "the yellow brick", "shortbus", "fat girl", etc... Afterall when have you seen a 5200 lb 2005 4x4 Dodge Ram in full street trim (using drag radials of course) be able to tickle the 10's through mufflers. I've had as many as 20 people/racers come over to the pit after I made a rip to see what was under the hood. I always get a chuckle from the old timer's after they see my 392 HEMI decal on my front bumper and poke their nose in there and come back with, "That ain't a real 392". lol I'd also like to have a dollar for everytime someone told me I should put my engine in a 3200 lb car.

Hopefully we'll meet at the track soon again Ted, this time with one of our 5.7 G3 Hemi's being stuffed into a 69 Rambler.

This is going to be a budget build that anyone can do. We're using a salvaged engine from a 04 Durango. The Durango was totalled from a fire and bought for $900. After selling the usable parts, we're already money ahead. The shortblock is stock besides opening up the ring gaps, new bearings, Comp Cam 273, worked over 5.7 heads, INDY Mod Man carb intake, MSD, TF904 with a 8 3/4"...and a little bit of n2o.


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Re: What it cost me to build the first ever running 392 G3 [Re: hemidup] #1392503
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Love it man. Love it.

Re: What it cost me to build the first ever running 392 G3 [Re: Duner] #1392504
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Thanks!

Re: What it cost me to build the first ever running 392 G3 [Re: hemidup] #1392506
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I saw Jerrys truck go down the track...I thought what the heck is in that thing!! Pretty nice guy to talk with,too!




Thanks Ted and your a pretty nice guy to talk with too.

Yeah, my truck sure draws alot of attention. Its been nicknamed "the yellow brick", "shortbus", "fat girl", etc... Afterall when have you seen a 5200 lb 2005 4x4 Dodge Ram in full street trim (using drag radials of course) be able to tickle the 10's through mufflers. I've had as many as 20 people/racers come over to the pit after I made a rip to see what was under the hood. I always get a chuckle from the old timer's after they see my 392 HEMI decal on my front bumper and poke their nose in there and come back with, "That ain't a real 392". lol I'd also like to have a dollar for everytime someone told me I should put my engine in a 3200 lb car.

Hopefully we'll meet at the track soon again Ted, this time with one of our 5.7 G3 Hemi's being stuffed into a 69 Rambler.

This is going to be a budget build that anyone can do. We're using a salvaged engine from a 04 Durango. The Durango was totalled from a fire and bought for $900. After selling the usable parts, we're already money ahead. The shortblock is stock besides opening up the ring gaps, new bearings, Comp Cam 273, worked over 5.7 heads, INDY Mod Man carb intake, MSD, TF904 with a 8 3/4"...and a little bit of n2o.





I would like to see the Mod Man intake against the drak pak intake on a flow bench. I THINK the Mod Man will hurt the flow rate because of the short turn runners.

Re: What it cost me to build the first ever running 392 G3 [Re: MattW] #1392507
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I dont think theres too much doubt the DP would make more torque through the range and probably a better AF spread between cylinders.

Re: What it cost me to build the first ever running 392 G3 [Re: Moparmal] #1392508
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I dont think theres too much doubt the DP would make more torque through the range and probably a better AF spread between cylinders.




Here's a spread sheet, same day, same dyno, same fuel using a 5.7, 6.1 and XV intake. The XV has a smaller plenium than the Mod Man, but still has short runner's. Both the stock intakes were neck in neck.

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The Mod Man intake is basically a low flat intake like my buddies blower intakes.

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The Mod Man intake is basically a low flat intake like my buddies blower intakes.




Tom, It's all coming back to me now. Terrible thing about me growing old is loosing my long term memory. My hearing is also on the downside as to where I seldom answer the phone anymore cause I can't understand what the other person is saying. Guess its time for hearing aid's lol


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Indy claim some benefits from the super large plenum on the modman...meaning none of the runners go "lean" due to distance from the source....but the short runners ARE a worry.

I guess Ill find out soon enough....



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Indy claim some benefits from the super large plenum on the modman...meaning none of the runners go "lean" due to distance from the source....but the short runners ARE a worry.

I guess Ill find out soon enough....






The only real way to find out about even fuel distrubution through an intake manifold is by recording egt's per cylinder at the dyno. The factory intake manifolds I tested had all 8 cyl egt temps within 5*'s at 6000 rpm. Giddy up. A carburated DP intake needs some help with air flow. Maybe we have to break out the popsicle sticks and epoxey or someone may come up with the correct jetting. With a DP EFI intake you can dial in every cylinder for timing and fuel.


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Indy claim some benefits from the super large plenum on the modman...meaning none of the runners go "lean" due to distance from the source....but the short runners ARE a worry.

I guess Ill find out soon enough....






The only real way to find out about even fuel distrubution through an intake manifold is by recording egt's per cylinder at the dyno. The factory intake manifolds I tested had all 8 cyl egt temps within 5*'s at 6000 rpm. Giddy up. A carburated DP intake needs some help with air flow. Maybe we have to break out the popsicle sticks and epoxey or someone may come up with the correct jetting. With a DP EFI intake you can dial in every cylinder for timing and fuel.



I have used NGK plugs for checking heat in the cylinder by watching how much of the base of the plug plating gets scorched. I shoot for about 3/4 scorched with alky, don't know how much heat difference there would be with gas. This would at least give you a rough idea for WOT high rpm.


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