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Re: Small block Victor: before and after porting numbers [Re: pittsburghracer] #1389225
02/20/13 09:36 PM
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Hey, keep up the good work, but don't stop there, put a carb spacer on too!!!

Re: Small block Victor: before and after porting numbers [Re: dwayne welder] #1389226
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Hey, keep up the good work, but don't stop there, put a carb spacer on too!!!




That's funny you said that because I was looking for one last night. I even went as far as checking out my sons on his Duster but he came walking into the shop and caught me. I will probably end up with a dominator on my next comb and I checked out my 4150-4500 adapter off my 572 but its opened up to fit my big block Indy intake.


1970 Duster
Edelbrock headed 408
5.984@112.52
422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.42@138.27

Livin and lovin life one day at a time




Re: Small block Victor: before and after porting numbers [Re: pittsburghracer] #1389227
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pics of port ?

Re: Small block Victor: before and after porting numbers [Re: pittsburghracer] #1389228
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Nice work on the intake . The core shift on mine was horrible and it took a few hours with a grinder and rotary file to match it. I bought it used and can't believe someone would've ran it the way it was.

Re: Small block Victor: before and after porting numbers [Re: justinp61] #1389229
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This makes me wonder how much my OOTB Victor was holding me back before. Probably a good amount as it was untouched.


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Re: Small block Victor: before and after porting numbers [Re: justinp61] #1389230
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Nice work on the intake . The core shift on mine was horrible and it took a few hours with a grinder and rotary file to match it. I bought it used and can't believe someone would've ran it the way it was.




Thanks. The Friend that I am doing these heads for is supposed to pick up his Indy intake from Ryan today so I will bolt it on for a comparison and post the numbers from the same port. I really don't think its core shift on these as much making a product to sell that you can bolt on anything from a 273 to a stroker engine. Then it is up to us.


1970 Duster
Edelbrock headed 408
5.984@112.52
422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.42@138.27

Livin and lovin life one day at a time




Re: Small block Victor: before and after porting numbers [Re: Triple Threat] #1389231
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This makes me wonder how much my OOTB Victor was holding me back before. Probably a good amount as it was untouched.




If you look at the flow numbers its kinda proportional. The better the heads flow the more you lose. You definitely left some HP on the table.


1970 Duster
Edelbrock headed 408
5.984@112.52
422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.42@138.27

Livin and lovin life one day at a time




Re: Small block Victor: before and after porting numbers [Re: pittsburghracer] #1389232
02/21/13 04:25 PM
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Is this the intake you recently got from me?

Re: Small block Victor: before and after porting numbers [Re: kyhemi-dart] #1389233
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Is this the intake you recently got from me?




No I tried to buy a Victor intake from someone on Moparts, and he said he would send me some pictures and I never heard from them again. If it was you thanks for nothing. I bought a new one from Summit.


1970 Duster
Edelbrock headed 408
5.984@112.52
422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.42@138.27

Livin and lovin life one day at a time




Re: Small block Victor: before and after porting numbers [Re: kyhemi-dart] #1389234
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Is this the intake you recently got from me?




Ya it was you I just checked my PM's

Yea ill get you a pic as soon as i can, im in the process of moving. The headers are 1 5/8


1970 Duster
Edelbrock headed 408
5.984@112.52
422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.42@138.27

Livin and lovin life one day at a time




Re: Small block Victor: before and after porting numbers [Re: pittsburghracer] #1389235
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Yup that was me, I apologize. Looks like you got one and I sold mine anyway so everyone is happy. Good numbers BTW

Re: Small block Victor: before and after porting numbers [Re: kyhemi-dart] #1389236
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Pittsburgh racer, I am about to start grinding on my victor this Sunday more than likely. I wanted to ask you a few questions.

I am just going to be doing a basic gasket match. However, I was thinking of possibly blending that up into the runners. How far in should I go? As far as my cutting bit reaches? lol...Are you polishing afterwards with a sanding roll?

Also, for the plenum, what kind of work is beneficial there? Are just using the cutting bit there, or do you use sanding cartridge rolls to smooth it out afterwards? I bought the intake used and there was a bit of "porting" done to it already, so I was thinking I could kind of clean up what was started....I have heard though before that grinding it too smooth in the plenum area creates fuel droplets that will pool up in there.

Sorry if this sounds like a question on how to port an intake crash course. Im not looking to do anything fancy, but would like to try and improve the out of the box performance and ports on this thing.

Re: Small block Victor: before and after porting numbers [Re: mshred] #1389237
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Matt I have no problem sharing and I found a real issue with at least a couple of the inside runners so I ordered a 1 inch spacer to try what I think is needed. I pushed it aside this week so I could work on my Friends Indy intake that Ryan (shady dale) redrilled the bolt holes so he could use it on the Edelbrock head. Ryan said it was 15 HP better on the dyno than the victor. I have a practice tree race to attend tomorrow (Saturday) but if you can hold off till Sunday or Monday I will try to do some testing and post some pictures.


1970 Duster
Edelbrock headed 408
5.984@112.52
422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.42@138.27

Livin and lovin life one day at a time




Re: Small block Victor: before and after porting numbers [Re: dwayne welder] #1389238
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Hey, keep up the good work, but don't stop there, put a carb spacer on too!!!


two 1" spacers. Top one houses my water injection. Bottom spacer is open.

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Re: Small block Victor: before and after porting numbers [Re: pittsburghracer] #1389239
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Hey John, I guess I can wait for some info and pics of what works on this manifold. That would definitely help. I was more just looking for general info on what to or not to do when taking a grinder to this thing lol...but specific stuff about the victor since that is what I am also using would probably be better

Re: Small block Victor: before and after porting numbers [Re: mshred] #1389240
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Hey John, I guess I can wait for some info and pics of what works on this manifold. That would definitely help. I was more just looking for general info on what to or not to do when taking a grinder to this thing lol...but specific stuff about the victor since that is what I am also using would probably be better




Just got home from the practice tree race (7pm) so I will hit the shop mid morning tomorrow and test my idea on the center runners and if all goes well get you some pictures.


1970 Duster
Edelbrock headed 408
5.984@112.52
422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.42@138.27

Livin and lovin life one day at a time




Re: Small block Victor: before and after porting numbers [Re: pittsburghracer] #1389241
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Hey John, I guess I can wait for some info and pics of what works on this manifold. That would definitely help. I was more just looking for general info on what to or not to do when taking a grinder to this thing lol...but specific stuff about the victor since that is what I am also using would probably be better




Just got home from the practice tree race (7pm) so I will hit the shop mid morning tomorrow and test my idea on the center runners and if all goes well get you some pictures.


Good interesting thread John, glad you are willing to share.

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Hey John, I guess I can wait for some info and pics of what works on this manifold. That would definitely help. I was more just looking for general info on what to or not to do when taking a grinder to this thing lol...but specific stuff about the victor since that is what I am also using would probably be better




Just got home from the practice tree race (7pm) so I will hit the shop mid morning tomorrow and test my idea on the center runners and if all goes well get you some pictures.


Good interesting thread John, glad you are willing to share.




Thanks Terry. 80% of the time I really enjoy playing around and testing so that's half the battle. I take on very few paying jobs and the most I ever charged for porting, before and after flow tests, and valve job was 600 dollars. Its nice that if I don't want to go to the shop I don't have to. I love nothing better than trying something and picking up a nice gain, BUT then again there are days like today. This #3 port on the Victor dies at 270cfm and stays there. I hate loosing over 30cfm with the intake on and it is. I came up with a plan, laid out the carb flange, ground, blended, bolted on a 1 inch metal spacer, ground and blended again. Man it looked great and thought man this gotta work. After 4 1/2 hours of grinding I cleaned it up for testing on good old #3 port. Test performed and a huge pick-up of 3cfm. OUCH.!!!!!. Time to rethink what the heck is going on. Hungry, disappointed, and way past my retired persons afternoon nap one more idea, one more attempt. 2 hours later time for another test and this idea paid off real nice. Now it maxes out at 292 with what I think can get better yet. Pictures to come after next attempt. It will make sense when you see what is going on.


1970 Duster
Edelbrock headed 408
5.984@112.52
422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.42@138.27

Livin and lovin life one day at a time




Re: Small block Victor: before and after porting numbers [Re: pittsburghracer] #1389243
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Hey John, I guess I can wait for some info and pics of what works on this manifold. That would definitely help. I was more just looking for general info on what to or not to do when taking a grinder to this thing lol...but specific stuff about the victor since that is what I am also using would probably be better




Just got home from the practice tree race (7pm) so I will hit the shop mid morning tomorrow and test my idea on the center runners and if all goes well get you some pictures.


Good interesting thread John, glad you are willing to share.




Thanks Terry. 80% of the time I really enjoy playing around and testing so that's half the battle. I take on very few paying jobs and the most I ever charged for porting, before and after flow tests, and valve job was 600 dollars. Its nice that if I don't want to go to the shop I don't have to. I love nothing better than trying something and picking up a nice gain, BUT then again there are days like today. This #3 port on the Victor dies at 270cfm and stays there. I hate loosing over 30cfm with the intake on and it is. I came up with a plan, laid out the carb flange, ground, blended, bolted on a 1 inch metal spacer, ground and blended again. Man it looked great and thought man this gotta work. After 4 1/2 hours of grinding I cleaned it up for testing on good old #3 port. Test performed and a huge pick-up of 3cfm. OUCH.!!!!!. Time to rethink what the heck is going on. Hungry, disappointed, and way past my retired persons afternoon nap one more idea, one more attempt. 2 hours later time for another test and this idea paid off real nice. Now it maxes out at 292 with what I think can get better yet. Pictures to come after next attempt. It will make sense when you see what is going on.




Cool! look forward to seeing how you did it

Re: Small block Victor: before and after porting numbers [Re: mshred] #1389244
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Ok guys a small update. The only reason I was playing with my new Victor was because of the disappointing flow numbers we were coming up with on my Friends Indy intake on number 3 runner. Ryan (shadydale) re-drilled the intake and went in the runner about an inch so you can use it on the Edelbrock head. After trying a few things I bolted on my Victor and it was down to compared to the tests on the other ports. The things I tried on mine actually worked better on the Indy intake. I have to set my Victor aside for now to finish the rest of his but I'm not happy yet. Her are some numbers from both intakes. The Indy intake was within 1-2 cfm with a 1 inch spacer and a 4150-4500 spacer.

---Head-------Indy intake---------Victor Intake
.200--138-------138-----------------134
.300--198-------197-----------------193
.400--248-------242-----------------235
.450--268-------259-----------------254
.500--276-------274-----------------271
.550--283-------281-----------------274
.600--292-------291-----------------276
.650--301-------301-----------------278


1970 Duster
Edelbrock headed 408
5.984@112.52
422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.42@138.27

Livin and lovin life one day at a time




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