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Re: How do you get your front end to lift?
[Re: Hey19]
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Take the front shocks out and see how much resistance you have.You should be able to move it fairly easily. If the front suspension is bound up some where, fixing that should get the front to work. The rear springs may need some attention also. What is the shackle angle at the back? Is there enough travel in the back shackles to allow them to work? Are the springs too high of a spring rate? With the shocks loose at the rear, the rear should move easily also.
For a real education on leaf springs, go to an AFCO catalog and read the page on leaf springs. Very enlightening, with much information a lot of folks do not know about what can give you trouble.
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Re: How do you get your front end to lift?
[Re: gregsdart]
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Your control arm bushings may be binding. Take the bolts out and grease them. The lighter the front spring, 6 cyl torsion bars, the more stored energy you have with the car level. You may want to try the race torsion bar.
Your rear tire pressure could have a lot to do with this. My car would leave flat as a pancake with stock suspension. I was told by freinds the car was not spinning. Mounted a set of 28X10.5 slicks on the car with about 11 psi and she picked them up about a foot.
Leon
Career best 8.02 @ 169 at 3050# and 10" tires small block power.
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Re: How do you get your front end to lift?
[Re: Leon441]
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02/09/13 02:00 AM
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Agree with Leon. And; The best thing you can do to a frontend on a Mopar is strutrods with heim ends. It frees up the front end a ton. And put a good set of upper control arms on it. RMS has top shelf products! my 
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Re: How do you get your front end to lift?
[Re: mopar_to_ya]
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02/09/13 02:24 AM
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http://www.dillingerchassis.com/store/get a set of adjustable upper control arms with heim joints...and a set of adjustable strut rods... changed them out on our 71 dart along with new strange front brakes...car knocked off 2 tenths a couple two weeks ago in Vegas.
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71 Demon 360 10.666 @122.41 (01-29-17 @ Las Vegas)
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Re: How do you get your front end to lift?
[Re: Hey19]
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02/09/13 02:55 AM
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The heim joint uppers and strut rods made a huge difference for me. Remember both ends of the car have to work without binding (as Greg said)
You did not say what 90/10s are on the front, they are not all the same. Some take way to much force to extend (like summit brand)
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Re: How do you get your front end to lift?
[Re: Todd]
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02/09/13 11:26 AM
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7.10s in the 1/8th is not too shabby. Are you spinning off the line to cause you to want to lift the front? What are you 60ing and what are you trying to get to?
Master, again and still
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Re: How do you get your front end to lift?
[Re: DaveRS23]
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02/09/13 11:36 AM
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What stops the front end moving around, if the strut rods aren't solid ?
Mick
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Re: How do you get your front end to lift?
[Re: Hey19]
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02/09/13 12:18 PM
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The biggest thing that helped me in my nose heavy truck was front end suspension travel coupled with some stored energy via drag springs. I do run cal tracs however.
Tom
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Re: How do you get your front end to lift?
[Re: Hey19]
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02/09/13 05:15 PM
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Your 60 ft seems a little high, If it's spinning try a little less air pressure. I run 10-11 in mine.
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Re: How do you get your front end to lift?
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both of these cars have adjustable upper control arms with heim joints...adjustable strut rods..and CE 90/10 shocks..and they both have light weight strange brakes... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwmkrGoVYg0
Tony
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71 Demon 360 10.666 @122.41 (01-29-17 @ Las Vegas)
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Re: How do you get your front end to lift?
[Re: 70AARcuda]
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Wait a minute back the truck up.
Take a marker and mark your wheel and slick to make sure the tire is not slipping on the wheel. If they are you have two choices. Either glue the beads or install MOROSO or comparable screws. I used sheetmetal one time and broke all eight of them. Beleive it or not this can make a huge difference. I also ran without tubes seemed to help my car back in the day,
Leon
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Re: How do you get your front end to lift?
[Re: Leon441]
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Are you sure you are spinning at the line? I struggled a few years ago right where you are at. I was running 7.10s and really, really wanted a 6 second pass. Turned out, I wasn't spinning. I was hooking okay, I just needed more hit at the line. Called PTC and upped the converter to about 4,000 and BOOM, I knocked a full .10 off the 60 and the E.T. I went from low 1.6s and 7.10s to 1.5 flat and 6.9s. Now I have a lot more trouble hooking up than before. 
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Re: How do you get your front end to lift?
[Re: Hey19]
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02/10/13 06:28 AM
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I have a 68 cuda small block with 6 cyl. torsion bars and 90-10 shocks that I race. It runs 7.1" in the 1/8th. I have the bars set so the car is level and it gives no weight transfer at all. It has super stock springs with 80-20 shocks in the back. It just stays flat when it leaves. If I take a hold of the bumper and lift it will raise but it is heavy and is not "loose" by any means. Do you guys have any ideas on getting a stock front end on an a body to work the weight transfer? Thanks
are you having traction issues?
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Re: How do you get your front end to lift?
[Re: Quicktree]
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02/10/13 11:44 AM
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Bolt 2 sewer lids in the back of the trunk, you'll get lots of weight transfer!
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Re: How do you get your front end to lift?
[Re: Quicktree]
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02/11/13 07:33 AM
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my point is at 7.1 in the 1/8 he shouldn't be having traction issues. sounds like he wants to look cool? and at that ET he isn't dealing with a lot of HP. AND I am not saying that to put him down just to make a point.
Looking cool is cool.......... nothing wrong with that, considering he will also make the car faster........
OP ... Sounds like your front end needs to come down first of all. Lots of good advise here....
PM me if you like... Your looking in the right direction.....
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Re: How do you get your front end to lift?
[Re: justinp61]
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02/11/13 03:19 PM
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IMO his 60's are slow, when my Dart was running 7.20s I was in the 1.54-56 range. I wouldn't throw away the CE shocks yet, I've been 1.38 on them several times, normally go 1.40-41.
I'm betting your car would work better with a good shock..... if you go 1.40's with a 1.30's combo. it does not make the CE's a good shock....... Slower cars gain more with a better shock.....
But there is a ton of stuff to do here........ If you want a good working car....
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Re: How do you get your front end to lift?
[Re: 10.90 Racer]
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IMO his 60's are slow, when my Dart was running 7.20s I was in the 1.54-56 range. I wouldn't throw away the CE shocks yet, I've been 1.38 on them several times, normally go 1.40-41.
I'm betting your car would work better with a good shock..... if you go 1.40's with a 1.30's combo. it does not make the CE's a good shock....... Slower cars gain more with a better shock.....
But there is a ton of stuff to do here........ If you want a good working car....
If you unhooked the front shocks and the car picked up in the 60ft, would that tell you the shocks could be improved upon? Any safety issues if you did unhook them? Or would you run it to the 1/8 mile and let off of it?
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Re: How do you get your front end to lift?
[Re: earthmover]
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02/11/13 04:29 PM
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old racer told me at the track 1 night that a well know racer told him to turn the bolt up on top of the front shocks a even amount .. so that night I tried it on 1 pass worked.. even though my car was in need of some frontend work... car would run 7.40 at 90 mph with a 1.67 best 60'.. car would pick the wheels up about 5/6" in the air for a few feet then sit them down and spin... 
What does turn the bolt up mean? Make sure the shock is loose in its mount? Sorry didnt stay at a Holiday Inn last night...
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Re: How do you get your front end to lift?
[Re: 10.90 Racer]
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IMO his 60's are slow, when my Dart was running 7.20s I was in the 1.54-56 range. I wouldn't throw away the CE shocks yet, I've been 1.38 on them several times, normally go 1.40-41.
I'm betting your car would work better with a good shock..... if you go 1.40's with a 1.30's combo. it does not make the CE's a good shock....... Slower cars gain more with a better shock.....
But there is a ton of stuff to do here........ If you want a good working car....
My car is a street/strip pump gas small block that gets bracket raced. All the 1.38 60' have came in very good air, it will go 1.40-41 in the heat. Never said that the CE was a good shock, but I don't think it's a bad one either. I'm not going to spend $500 to pick up .02 or .03.
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Re: How do you get your front end to lift?
[Re: earthmover]
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An old trick from an old racer a few years ago. Drill a hole in the shock body and let the oil out. Makes shock FREE. Probably wouldn't reccomend it, but it DOES work. DAMHIK
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Re: How do you get your front end to lift?
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An old trick from an old racer a few years ago. Drill a hole in the shock body and let the oil out. Makes shock FREE. Probably wouldn't reccomend it, but it DOES work. DAMHIK
Dont do that... if you get on a bumpy track you can
get out of shape pretty easy... just buy some Calvert 90/10...
they are a pretty decent shock for cheap
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Re: How do you get your front end to lift?
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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baack in the day we just drilled holes in the left front . later we used extentions
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Re: How do you get your front end to lift?
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I run calvert front shocks.. love them !  CE did not work for me.  calverts handle real nice on the street also.
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Re: How do you get your front end to lift?
[Re: 65_gt_rag_402]
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02/12/13 07:35 PM
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I run calvert front shocks.. love them !
CE did not work for me.
calverts handle real nice on the street also.
I would bet they are a decent shock. I have Koni spa-1's and when I changed to them, over the lakewood 90/10's there was a day/night difference......
In order of cost here are the things you can do to your front end....
1)Install your upper control arm bushing greased and loose
2) Install a polly lower control arm bushing ( stock one are a rubber press fit)
3)Try and get a min of 5 inches of travel ( front as low as you can get it)
4)Loosen up a set of Moog strut rod bushings (this will give More travel too)
5)Strut rods with rod ends. This is pretty huge!!! The PST look real good. (So do the Dillengers but I would not drive around the block with the chincy rod end they use.)
6) Front shocks Calverts to Afco's the more you spend the better.....
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OP, if your car likes that you need softer front shocks 
