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Re: Need the link to the latest Gen3 Hemi that made 719hp
[Re: mopar65]
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02/06/13 01:19 PM
02/06/13 01:19 PM
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Not to be a negative nancy, but i have a hard time with the 719 horsepower figure being " accurate" in that build. Maybe on "that" dyno, but a romp at the track would be the real test. I had a chance to talk to 340 Rick and discuss his great running combo at the Indy Mopar race. His combo has about a point more compression and a good bit more camshaft than this test mule motor, and his heads were fully CNC ported by Modern who does outstanding work.His motor is i believe also 426 inches. Based on Rick's car weight, MPH, and ET, and this in pretty good air, i suspect his hemi is making an honest 640- 650ish horsepower, based on track results. To make decidedly more power with less compression and cam doesnt seem possible to me, but that is just my opinion. Ricks car runs outstanding, i didnt get the impression he was leaving much on the table because his combo is extremely well thought out, and runs extremely well. I talked to shophemi a while back about what kind of power they could get out of these motors, and about 640- 650 NA seemed at that time to be the max with the limiting hyd rollers available.This was last year, maybe something has changed, but this was a 426 motor they could put together, and was similar to the motor they run in the shop new gen charger they have flogged. Anyhow, dyno's vary, but dime to a doughnut, i bet that 719 horse motor wouldnt produce any better, if even as good of ET/mph as 340 Rick has already laid down. And i know Rick would noway think he is making anywhere near 700 horsepower. I have learned to take some these magazine articles with a grain of sand   , especially when Indy dyno's them.
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Re: Need the link to the latest Gen3 Hemi that made 719hp
[Re: B3422W5]
#1381848
02/06/13 02:37 PM
02/06/13 02:37 PM
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Whose dyno was this motor on? Was it the one Dulcich uses, Westech I believe???
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'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
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Re: Need the link to the latest Gen3 Hemi that made 719hp
[Re: an8sec70cuda]
#1381849
02/06/13 02:58 PM
02/06/13 02:58 PM
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I figure a 719 horse motor should be able to run mid 9's in a 3200 pound car at 140+. My ex motor( 422 W5) after i sold the car was upgraded and dyno'ed by Best Machine and made 708 horsepower. This is a full on 14 to 1 effort with light rings, gas ported slugs, big roller, etc, etc. The car( 3200+ pounds currently), went 140+ with this motor in it. So, IMO, those dyno figures were well backed up at the track. I have yet to see a pump gas gen 3 run 140+ in a 3200 pound plus car. Once i do, i will become a believer, but until then, its just racing likely inflated dyno numbers..  
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Re: Need the link to the latest Gen3 Hemi that made 719hp
[Re: Dunnuck Racing]
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02/06/13 03:35 PM
02/06/13 03:35 PM
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an8sec70cuda
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Ok, I was wondering if it was Westech's dyno...that thing gives out some real happy numbers.
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'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
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Re: Need the link to the latest Gen3 Hemi that made 719hp
[Re: Dragula]
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02/06/13 04:54 PM
02/06/13 04:54 PM
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Odessa, Tx.
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Some good points, but without a link to the article to see if they did anything fancy for oil control or some crazy rocker arms...ITS TOUGH TO TELL.
They used the factory rockers and made no mention of any magic oiling tricks,other than chamfering the inside diameter of the oil filter provision to improve oil return.
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Re: Need the link to the latest Gen3 Hemi that made 719hp
[Re: B3422W5]
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02/06/13 05:47 PM
02/06/13 05:47 PM
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mopar65
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I figure a 719 horse motor should be able to run mid 9's in a 3200 pound car at 140+.
My ex motor( 422 W5) after i sold the car was upgraded and dyno'ed by Best Machine and made 708 horsepower. This is a full on 14 to 1 effort with light rings, gas ported slugs, big roller, etc, etc.
The car( 3200+ pounds currently), went 140+ with this motor in it.
So, IMO, those dyno figures were well backed up at the track.
I have yet to see a pump gas gen 3 run 140+ in a 3200 pound plus car. Once i do, i will become a believer, but until then, its just racing likely inflated dyno numbers..
well hopefully we will get to find out pretty soon how this engine stacks up to the hp it made on the Dyno. The mopar mag said this engine will be going in there 2010 Dodge Challenger drag car.
Also i agree i think 340 ricks car is awesome and that is my dream engine some day. by that i mean if i ever have any money to build a engine like that. Mopar65
3520 pound race ready 1973 Street/Strip Dodge Dart - Stock stroke 440/727
10.49 @ 125.0 on 93 pump gas & ET Street Radials. More to come...
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Re: Need the link to the latest Gen3 Hemi that made 719hp
[Re: B3422W5]
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02/06/13 06:58 PM
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Our 345 cubed, stock stroke/stock bore, 12:1, 229/235 @.050", DP intake, stock 6.1 heads cept the intake valve was 2.10" vs the factory 2.08" made 545 hp @ 7000 rpm where we ran out of camshaft.
Barton went 9.67 in his A/SA 370 cubed G3 back in 2011. He then went 9.38 with a 392.
Most Stock eliminator 6.1/370's I've seen make 630 and change. Southland Speed while dyno testing had an idea with making the engine breath better. I manufatured a certain part for them and they picked up another 20 hp. Aother 6.1 DP I know off went 9.67 with this same mod.
Now add 56 more cubes with full boogie heads...I think 700+ hp might be doable.
Jerry Williams.
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Re: Need the link to the latest Gen3 Hemi that made 719hp
[Re: hemidup]
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02/07/13 04:28 PM
02/07/13 04:28 PM
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In NO way could you compare my car to a DP car, as far as comparing et's and HP. My car has a 727 in it and a dana 60 nothing fancy. Also my converter is no where near being close to where it needs to be. Mine flashes to bout 5200 and Barton told me his flashes to 6700 rpm. So with a trick 904 and 8.75 rear and converter that would flash to 6700 I have no doubt my car would run 9.50's.....I am also only shifting my motor at 7000rpm and going thru the traps at 7200 One more thing I dont have my EFI tunned right yet etiher my 60ft so far as only been 1.38 do to my tune and converter. So my motor in a 3200 lb drag pack car with all the tricks would appear to be making over 700 HP I would guess. I love the not on my dyno it wouldnt make that. where is RyanJ when we need him.
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Re: Need the link to the latest Gen3 Hemi that made 719hp
[Re: Dragula]
#1381856
02/07/13 07:34 PM
02/07/13 07:34 PM
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Can't find it anywhere...Need a link
That engine we built for that article. Call me tomorrow and I can give you all the details you want.
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Re: Need the link to the latest Gen3 Hemi that made 719hp
[Re: hemidup]
#1381858
02/07/13 10:18 PM
02/07/13 10:18 PM
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Dayton, Ohio
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Our 345 cubed, stock stroke/stock bore, 12:1, 229/235 @.050", DP intake, stock 6.1 heads cept the intake valve was 2.10" vs the factory 2.08" made 545 hp @ 7000 rpm where we ran out of camshaft.
Barton went 9.67 in his A/SA 370 cubed G3 back in 2011. He then went 9.38 with a 392.
Most Stock eliminator 6.1/370's I've seen make 630 and change. Southland Speed while dyno testing had an idea with making the engine breath better. I manufatured a certain part for them and they picked up another 20 hp. Aother 6.1 DP I know off went 9.67 with this same mod.
Now add 56 more cubes with full boogie heads...I think 700+ hp might be doable.
Where do I buy the 20hp mod jerry?
Interested in having you car wired? Drag car, street car, EFI swap?
PM for details
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Re: Need the link to the latest Gen3 Hemi that made 719hp
[Re: wldtm]
#1381859
02/08/13 10:15 AM
02/08/13 10:15 AM
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this engine is in my challenger. ran 9.95 @137 mph
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Re: Need the link to the latest Gen3 Hemi that made 719hp
[Re: birdboy]
#1381860
02/08/13 10:27 AM
02/08/13 10:27 AM
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this engine is in my challenger. ran 9.95 @137 mph
Care to elaborate on your combo?
Weight, trans, gears? Matt
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Re: Need the link to the latest Gen3 Hemi that made 719hp
[Re: birdboy]
#1381861
02/09/13 01:51 PM
02/09/13 01:51 PM
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this engine is in my challenger. ran 9.95 @137 mph
Thats all ya got.........lets here some details on your challenger 
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Re: Need the link to the latest Gen3 Hemi that made 719hp
[Re: wldtm]
#1381863
02/12/13 05:51 PM
02/12/13 05:51 PM
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Melbourne.....Oz-land
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Our 345 cubed, stock stroke/stock bore, 12:1, 229/235 @.050", DP intake, stock 6.1 heads cept the intake valve was 2.10" vs the factory 2.08" made 545 hp @ 7000 rpm where we ran out of camshaft.
Barton went 9.67 in his A/SA 370 cubed G3 back in 2011. He then went 9.38 with a 392.
Most Stock eliminator 6.1/370's I've seen make 630 and change. Southland Speed while dyno testing had an idea with making the engine breath better. I manufatured a certain part for them and they picked up another 20 hp. Aother 6.1 DP I know off went 9.67 with this same mod.
Now add 56 more cubes with full boogie heads...I think 700+ hp might be doable.
Where do I buy the 20hp mod jerry?
Yeah come on Jerry....spill!
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