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Closed knuckle front axles. #1380147 02/02/13 06:45 AM 02/02/13 06:45 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,779 Mt.Gilead, Ohio OhioMopar OP master
OhioMopar OP master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,779 Mt.Gilead, Ohio	I was checking out a '73(I think) 1-ton Dodge truck that had Dana 70's front and rear. Of course the front axle is a closed knuckle, drum brake axle. Is there any way to convert it to disk? Has anyone been in one? I would imagine they are pretty stout pieces, but drum brakes on a truck used for hauling/towing would kinda scare me. 1969 Dart GTS 340 1969 Super Bee X9 N-96 1969 Coronet R/T X9 N-96 2015 Dodge Dart GT 2019 Ram 2500 Big Horn. Looking for the original block for my Bee. The last 4 are 7449

Re: Closed knuckle front axles. [Re: OhioMopar] #1380148 02/02/13 01:17 PM 02/02/13 01:17 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,409 UPPER MICHIGAN, MARQUETTE COUN... N NITROUSN I Live Here
NITROUSN I Live Here N Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,409 UPPER MICHIGAN, MARQUETTE COUN...	My old 73 one ton 4x4 wrecker [factory retriever canfield wrecker body] worked just fine with drum brakes. I dont know about a conversion. Not to many front ends around with that design. I would look for a 75 to 93 one ton front and just bolt it in.

Re: Closed knuckle front axles. [Re: NITROUSN] #1380149 02/02/13 02:56 PM 02/02/13 02:56 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 12,291 Kent, Wa 340SHORTY Truck Nut
340SHORTY Truck Nut Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 12,291 Kent, Wa	My old 73 F250 HiBoy had a D44 closed knuckle front axle. At that time there were no disc conversions available.. I am truckless..

Re: Closed knuckle front axles. [Re: 340SHORTY] #1380150 02/02/13 03:01 PM 02/02/13 03:01 PM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 1,722 Chicagoland Cooter top fuel
Cooter top fuel Joined: May 2003 Posts: 1,722 Chicagoland	I think conversions have been cobbled, but it really isn't worth the time, expense or trouble compared to swapping a more modern axle under there.

Re: Closed knuckle front axles. [Re: Cooter] #1380151 02/02/13 03:14 PM 02/02/13 03:14 PM
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,151 Cruising! Q QuickDodge super stock
QuickDodge super stock Q Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,151 Cruising!	It seems like the parts you want used to be advertised on the following website. I didn't see them listed today, but it may be worth contacting this guy to see if he can help you. (I've never bought anything from him) http://uglytruckling.com/index.htm If you find the parts somewhere, please post back. I want to convert my axle also.

Re: Closed knuckle front axles. [Re: QuickDodge] #1380152 02/02/13 06:42 PM 02/02/13 06:42 PM
Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 8,064 Iowa 76dodgeboy master
76dodgeboy master Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 8,064 Iowa	Just get a D60 and call it good. But it you debt plan on beating the not out of it an 80-93 D44hd from a 3/4 1-ton will work just fine. 75-79 are Full time axles with bad bearing design. No Lockout But you can swap outer shaft and knuckle out on a full time with a part time Pics

Re: Closed knuckle front axles. [Re: 76dodgeboy] #1380153 02/02/13 07:01 PM 02/02/13 07:01 PM
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NITROUSN I Live Here N Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,409 UPPER MICHIGAN, MARQUETTE COUN...	Quote: 75-79 are Full time axles with bad bearing design. No Lockout Not on HD 3/4 and one ton.

Re: Closed knuckle front axles. [Re: NITROUSN] #1380154 02/02/13 08:45 PM 02/02/13 08:45 PM
Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 8,064 Iowa 76dodgeboy master
76dodgeboy master Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 8,064 Iowa	My 70s D60s beg to differ. No Lockout. Yes lockout can be installed witch I forgot about but still full time setup. As for the bearings I was referring to the D44hd Last edited by 76dodgeboy; 02/02/13 08:48 PM.

Re: Closed knuckle front axles. [Re: 76dodgeboy] #1380155 02/02/13 08:58 PM 02/02/13 08:58 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,779 Mt.Gilead, Ohio OhioMopar OP master
OhioMopar OP master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,779 Mt.Gilead, Ohio	Quote: Just get a D60 and call it good. But it you debt plan on beating the not out of it an 80-93 D44hd from a 3/4 1-ton will work just fine. 75-79 are Full time axles with bad bearing design. No Lockout But you can swap outer shaft and knuckle out on a full time with a part time Pics I didn't buy it yet. Was exploring the options with a drum brake front end. You will never find me putting a 44 under anything, especially if equipped with a real axle originally. I've seen them destroyed by a warmed over 360 and a stick. I've personally.destroyed one with a bone stock '69 440 and a stick. 44's are for 1/2 tons and automatic transmissions...

Re: Closed knuckle front axles. [Re: OhioMopar] #1380156 02/02/13 10:57 PM 02/02/13 10:57 PM
Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 8,064 Iowa 76dodgeboy master
76dodgeboy master Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 8,064 Iowa	I haven't had the pleasure of beating a 4wd bad yet. But I have D60s for mine and the wifes clubcab shortbox powerwagons. Both will be bigblocks. Mine a 4spd and hers in the end a 518 but 727 until than. Than I have a D60 that might find its way under my plow truck. My clubcabs hubs are bad and so is another truck I have.

Re: Closed knuckle front axles. [Re: 76dodgeboy] #1380157 02/02/13 11:25 PM 02/02/13 11:25 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,779 Mt.Gilead, Ohio OhioMopar OP master
OhioMopar OP master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,779 Mt.Gilead, Ohio	Oh, they weren't beaten bad. Except for maybe the 360 truck. It was plowing snow. I don't get why they put 44s under a sno-commander. My big block truck broke playing in the mud. Never thought I could break something when the wheels were spinning. I was wrong.

Re: Closed knuckle front axles. [Re: OhioMopar] #1380158 02/03/13 12:05 AM 02/03/13 12:05 AM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 1,722 Chicagoland Cooter top fuel
Cooter top fuel Joined: May 2003 Posts: 1,722 Chicagoland	Quote: Quote: Just get a D60 and call it good. But it you debt plan on beating the not out of it an 80-93 D44hd from a 3/4 1-ton will work just fine. 75-79 are Full time axles with bad bearing design. No Lockout But you can swap outer shaft and knuckle out on a full time with a part time Pics I didn't buy it yet. Was exploring the options with a drum brake front end. You will never find me putting a 44 under anything, especially if equipped with a real axle originally. I've seen them destroyed by a warmed over 360 and a stick. I've personally.destroyed one with a bone stock '69 440 and a stick. 44's are for 1/2 tons and automatic transmissions... Then you don't want a closed knuckle D70. Tracta Steering Joints aren't really your friends here.

Re: Closed knuckle front axles. [Re: Cooter] #1380159 02/03/13 12:28 AM 02/03/13 12:28 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 12,291 Kent, Wa 340SHORTY Truck Nut
340SHORTY Truck Nut Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 12,291 Kent, Wa	Quote: Quote: Quote: Just get a D60 and call it good. But it you debt plan on beating the not out of it an 80-93 D44hd from a 3/4 1-ton will work just fine. 75-79 are Full time axles with bad bearing design. No Lockout But you can swap outer shaft and knuckle out on a full time with a part time Pics I didn't buy it yet. Was exploring the options with a drum brake front end. You will never find me putting a 44 under anything, especially if equipped with a real axle originally. I've seen them destroyed by a warmed over 360 and a stick. I've personally.destroyed one with a bone stock '69 440 and a stick. 44's are for 1/2 tons and automatic transmissions... Then you don't want a closed knuckle D70. Tracta Steering Joints aren't really your friends here. Ouch I am truckless..

Re: Closed knuckle front axles. [Re: 340SHORTY] #1380160 02/03/13 03:16 AM 02/03/13 03:16 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,779 Mt.Gilead, Ohio OhioMopar OP master
OhioMopar OP master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,779 Mt.Gilead, Ohio	Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Just get a D60 and call it good. But it you debt plan on beating the not out of it an 80-93 D44hd from a 3/4 1-ton will work just fine. 75-79 are Full time axles with bad bearing design. No Lockout But you can swap outer shaft and knuckle out on a full time with a part time Pics I didn't buy it yet. Was exploring the options with a drum brake front end. You will never find me putting a 44 under anything, especially if equipped with a real axle originally. I've seen them destroyed by a warmed over 360 and a stick. I've personally.destroyed one with a bone stock '69 440 and a stick. 44's are for 1/2 tons and automatic transmissions... Then you don't want a closed knuckle D70. Tracta Steering Joints aren't really your friends here. Ouch Noted! 1969 Dart GTS 340 1969 Super Bee X9 N-96 1969 Coronet R/T X9 N-96 2015 Dodge Dart GT 2019 Ram 2500 Big Horn. Looking for the original block for my Bee. The last 4 are 7449

Re: Closed knuckle front axles. [Re: OhioMopar] #1380161 02/03/13 04:35 PM 02/03/13 04:35 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,619 Norwich CT USA Defbob master
Defbob master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,619 Norwich CT USA	That looks like an older Dodge hypoid axle joint. Closed knuckle D70's have regular joints or was that from a late 50's Power Wagon D70?

Re: Closed knuckle front axles. [Re: Defbob] #1380162 02/03/13 04:46 PM 02/03/13 04:46 PM
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NITROUSN I Live Here N Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,409 UPPER MICHIGAN, MARQUETTE COUN...	Quote: That looks like an older Dodge hypoid axle joint. Closed knuckle D70's have regular joints or was that from a late 50's Power Wagon D70? My 73 w-300 had that goofy pieced together affair. The smaller 3/4 and 1/2 tons had u-joints as I recall.

Re: Closed knuckle front axles. [Re: NITROUSN] #1380163 02/03/13 05:52 PM 02/03/13 05:52 PM
Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 8,064 Iowa 76dodgeboy master
76dodgeboy master Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 8,064 Iowa	Yes if Its a d44 its open and has axle joints just drum breaks.

Re: Closed knuckle front axles. [Re: 76dodgeboy] #1380164 02/04/13 12:09 AM 02/04/13 12:09 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,779 Mt.Gilead, Ohio OhioMopar OP master
OhioMopar OP master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,779 Mt.Gilead, Ohio	Quote: Yes if Its a d44 its open and has axle joints just drum breaks. Incorrect. I had a closed knuckle Dana 44 with drum brakes. Was gonna try to convert it to disk, but just got a normal one instead. But it did have u-joints. Last edited by OhioMopar; 02/04/13 12:10 AM. 1969 Dart GTS 340 1969 Super Bee X9 N-96 1969 Coronet R/T X9 N-96 2015 Dodge Dart GT 2019 Ram 2500 Big Horn. Looking for the original block for my Bee. The last 4 are 7449

Re: Closed knuckle front axles. [Re: OhioMopar] #1380165 02/04/13 01:29 AM 02/04/13 01:29 AM
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76dodgeboy master Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 8,064 Iowa	72-74? I don't know much about pre 72

Re: Closed knuckle front axles. [Re: 76dodgeboy] #1380166 02/04/13 03:20 AM 02/04/13 03:20 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,779 Mt.Gilead, Ohio OhioMopar OP master
OhioMopar OP master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,779 Mt.Gilead, Ohio	Quote: 72-74? I don't know much about pre 72 Duh. Missed that part. Sorry. I'm actually not sure what year it was. Most likely pre-'72. 1969 Dart GTS 340 1969 Super Bee X9 N-96 1969 Coronet R/T X9 N-96 2015 Dodge Dart GT 2019 Ram 2500 Big Horn. Looking for the original block for my Bee. The last 4 are 7449

Re: Closed knuckle front axles. [Re: OhioMopar] #1380167 02/04/13 09:25 PM 02/04/13 09:25 PM
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694spdRT member 6 Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 169 Mount Hope, WI	I've got a closed knuckle Dana 70 front out of an old International 1 ton. From what I have read the IH versions are supposed to not have the Tracta joint setup. Still has the drum brakes though. Last edited by 694spdRT; 02/04/13 09:45 PM. 1969 Charger R/T 440 4 speed 1968 Charger 383 Automatic 1972 Challenger 318 Automatic 1975 W300 Adventurer Sport Factory 440 4 speed 1976 W200 Club Cab 400 automatic 1979 Ramcharger 400 automatic 2001 Durango SLT 4x4 4.7L 2005 Ram 2500 4X4 Cummins 6 speed

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