Re: adding hardened seats, should I?
[Re: RapidRobert]
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02/02/13 06:52 PM
02/02/13 06:52 PM
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Lee446
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One variable that I have not seen mentioned is the casting quality itself. When it comes to blocks, I have had early 440 blocks that were hard as Hillary's heart, and late 70's blocks that machined like aluminum(A bit of exaggeration) It would seem unlikely that heads were cast much different. Some may be hard enough to work fine, others not. I know I have seen several 340 X heads that the valves were so sunk in you would need a big roller just to open the exhausts and that a'int no exageration! I would put the hard seats in, it is cheaper in the long run, both in race gas and peace of mind!
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Re: adding hardened seats, should I?
[Re: Lee446]
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02/02/13 10:30 PM
02/02/13 10:30 PM
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The cheap street 360 I have posted in the Race/ Engine section had 15,000 miles on the factory valves and seats since the valve job had been done. I pulled them off to test a set of stock RPM heads recently. The exhaust valves are sunk so far in the heads its hard to believe it ran as good as it did. And the E heads averaged only 5 horsepower and 5 lbs ft more. So I can believe guys can see little change in performance even if the seats are beat in a mild engine. This engine was in a motorhome before and saw towing duty,so the extra stress may have helped valve recession along. I used pump gas and on occasion a lead replacement additive,but not at every fill. My current 440 tow vehicle got hardened seats added,just as insurance. Keith
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Re: adding hardened seats, should I?
[Re: RapidRobert]
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02/02/13 10:33 PM
02/02/13 10:33 PM
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drew72
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He is quoting you for cheap iron seats. See how much more for high nickel seats.
If I have him add the seats should I go with these? Stockish cam/light springs/DD, little WOT/87 or 91 non ethanol.
Definitely want the good seats if you're gonna do it. The cheap cast seats are okay for intake seats but you want good seats for the exhaust. Well tite or Martin Wells are two good brand names.
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Re: adding hardened seats, should I?
[Re: RapidRobert]
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02/02/13 11:09 PM
02/02/13 11:09 PM
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MLR426
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I've commented on this subject many times, if you wanna do the rebuild once put in the seat inserts it is the only way to do it. Once the old valve seat areas get beat out and get into dead soft cast iron it's over. Engines used for towing or heavy vehicles causes extreme heat on the exhaust side and super heat the seat area because it doesn't transfer heat into the head fast enough.
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Last edited by MLR426; 02/03/13 12:06 PM.
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