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Re: My 440 EFI- Coil on Plug & LS PCM ignition project [Re: Quicksilver440] #1376724
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Click the attachment link above for a bigger version of the pic....

Re: My 440 EFI- Coil on Plug & LS PCM ignition project [Re: Quicksilver440] #1376725
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Ok couldn't wait to read all the posts, my question, what is you'r thoughts on a Hogan sheet metal cross ram with 2 fours on a hemi? Can it work? This would make my day.

Re: My 440 EFI- Coil on Plug & LS PCM ignition project [Re: Quicksilver440] #1376726
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OK, thanks..That Q has been asked a lot on the Internet without a good response that I could find. So no need for two sensors then, Great. One advantage for the SB is the cast timing cover but I'll have to be super accurate when making the hole.

Re: My 440 EFI- Coil on Plug & LS PCM ignition project [Re: cudaman1969] #1376727
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Ok couldn't wait to read all the posts, my question, what is you'r thoughts on a Hogan sheet metal cross ram with 2 fours on a hemi? Can it work? This would make my day.




It will work if you can install injector bungs in that intake....not lots of room on that intake (but I'm sure it can be done)....plus you need room for a fuel rail.

Re: My 440 EFI- Coil on Plug & LS PCM ignition project [Re: Dos Snails] #1376728
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OK, thanks..That Q has been asked a lot on the Internet without a good response that I could find. So no need for two sensors then, Great. One advantage for the SB is the cast timing cover but I'll have to be super accurate when making the hole.




Yeah...the cast timing cover is easier to weld/epoxy a bung into...but placement has to be pretty close. A cranksensor relearn can be done in the tuning software to finetune any small error in placement, but I don't know for sure how close it has to be. That's one advantage to using an adjustable crank sensor....easy to dial in the sensor placement.

Re: My 440 EFI- Coil on Plug & LS PCM ignition project [Re: SLOW67] #1376729
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Got my reluctor today, I think I will set my sensor up first In the cover then I Will index the reluctor
after the fact.

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Re: My 440 EFI- Coil on Plug & LS PCM ignition project [Re: Quicksilver440] #1376730
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could you go over again what i need to tune this setup, maybe a list, this is all new and i don't want to do twice. Mechanical part i got but that wiring diagram of the 40 pin thing still trying to understand

Re: My 440 EFI- Coil on Plug & LS PCM ignition project [Re: cudaman1969] #1376731
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OK,One more ? on you setup does the sensor on tdc pick up from the leading edge or more in the middle of the round sensor head? In other words is the sensor directly over the (pic or pip or just getting ready to read @ tdc) Theres not much wiggle room with the smaller 480 wheel under the cover. dave.

Re: My 440 EFI- Coil on Plug & LS PCM ignition project [Re: cudaman1969] #1376732
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OK...I stayed up late finishing this up, so hopefully I can figure out how to post it and retain the quality of the pinout chart (saved it as a PDF). Click the "attachment" link above to get the Pinout chart I made, which also has notes at the bottom explaining the PCM programing changes needed to use this. If I made any errors...please let me know and I will fix them.

Also....striping down a stock harness is easy (especially if you use an 99-02 F-body harness). You can also use a truck harness (they are a lot cheaper...I see them for $75 sometimes)...but they will require you to swap around more pins (instead of just removing pins when using the F-body harness) and also with the truck harness you will have to reconfigure the O2 sensor wiring as they use various different style O2 sensors). I used a truck harness for my swap....

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Re: My 440 EFI- Coil on Plug & LS PCM ignition project [Re: Dos Snails] #1376733
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OK,One more ? on you setup does the sensor on tdc pick up from the leading edge or more in the middle of the round sensor head? In other words is the sensor directly over the (pic or pip or just getting ready to read @ tdc) Theres not much wiggle room with the smaller 480 wheel under the cover. dave.



Dave...I wish I had a definitive answer for you..but I THINK it is the middle of the sensor, but you may have to do some trial and error here. I think the idea of cutting the keyway/indexing after sensor placement is a great idea though.

Re: My 440 EFI- Coil on Plug & LS PCM ignition project [Re: Quicksilver440] #1376734
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Pinout Page one (see attachment 2 posts above for PDF version).

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Re: My 440 EFI- Coil on Plug & LS PCM ignition project [Re: Quicksilver440] #1376735
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Pinout Page two

Re: My 440 EFI- Coil on Plug & LS PCM ignition project [Re: Quicksilver440] #1376736
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Re: My 440 EFI- Coil on Plug & LS PCM ignition project [Re: Quicksilver440] #1376737
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Re: My 440 EFI- Coil on Plug & LS PCM ignition project [Re: Quicksilver440] #1376738
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I'll try and resize them tomorrow...I gotta go to bed. For now...just look at the PDF version.

Re: My 440 EFI- Coil on Plug & LS PCM ignition project [Re: Quicksilver440] #1376739
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We have a 99 ls 5.7 here in the shop, I'm going to set up a degree wheel & check where the sensor is @ on TDC. The #1 pip might move over the sensor after TDC...I'm glad you brought this project to the forefront, I've been waiting to amass all this info for awhile.

Re: My 440 EFI- Coil on Plug & LS PCM ignition project [Re: Dos Snails] #1376740
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..... I'm going to set up a degree wheel & check where the sensor is @ on TDC. The #1 pip might move over the sensor after TDC...




That's the way to do it.

Along with this pinout diagram...you just remove all the wires shown as "not used". A good general guide for making a "stand-alone" LS harness is available at:

http://www.stevesnovasite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=152458

and

http://www.lt1swap.com/98-02_ls1.htm

Re: My 440 EFI- Coil on Plug & LS PCM ignition project [Re: Curt] #1376741
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How hard is the dbw setup? I was thinking that using that pcm that you could use the traction control for launch control..I picked up both styles just in case..

Re: My 440 EFI- Coil on Plug & LS PCM ignition project [Re: Dos Snails] #1376742
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How hard is the dbw setup? I was thinking that using that pcm that you could use the traction control for launch control..I picked up both styles just in case..




DBW will work...you will need ALL of the DBW matching parts though. Pedal, control box and matching PCM. Most people don't go that route in swaps...but it could be done. I don't have all the details figured out for that setup though....

Re: My 440 EFI- Coil on Plug & LS PCM ignition project [Re: Quicksilver440] #1376743
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TTT....very interested in this conversion. Any updates?

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