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Re: Here we go again ! [Re: VernMotor] #1374001 01/22/13 10:37 PM 01/22/13 10:37 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,245 Between a rock & a hard place C cudadoug master
cudadoug master C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,245 Between a rock & a hard place	Quote: "this is the first time I have had the bearing out of the rods. not so pretty. ???" I don't know if that's bad after 250-300 runs. That's alot of laps. That said, I'm no engine building professional, but I DID stay at a Holiday Inn last week. LOL On the rod bushing issue, I'm thinking too what the P man said: it can really be only 1 thing(my opinion) that the press fit of the bushing into the rod isnt tight enough and for some reason the pin to the bushing has more friction then the bushing to rod... the pin must have been too tight on the fit

Re: Here we go again ! [Re: VernMotor] #1374002 01/22/13 10:45 PM 01/22/13 10:45 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,247 Mt. Vernon, Ohio dartman366 I Live Here
dartman366 I Live Here Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,247 Mt. Vernon, Ohio	Quote: Well all of that was supost to been done ? block junk. going to start over with other machinist. Not to say anything bad or otherwise about the old one but you won't be sorry with the one I think you are talking about. Light travels faster than the speed of sound,,,this is why some people seem bright untill you hear them speak.

Re: Here we go again ! [Re: VernMotor] #1374003 01/22/13 10:48 PM 01/22/13 10:48 PM
Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 363 Aubrey, Texas O oldtimer5151 enthusiast
oldtimer5151 enthusiast O Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 363 Aubrey, Texas	What cylinders did those two bad rod bearings come out of?

Re: Here we go again ! [Re: oldtimer5151] #1374004 01/22/13 11:08 PM 01/22/13 11:08 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio VernMotor OP master
VernMotor OP master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio	Quote: What cylinders did those two bad rod bearings come out of? Bad ? That was cylinder 1.

Re: Here we go again ! [Re: VernMotor] #1374005 01/22/13 11:26 PM 01/22/13 11:26 PM
Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 363 Aubrey, Texas O oldtimer5151 enthusiast
oldtimer5151 enthusiast O Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 363 Aubrey, Texas	Find you another machinist.

Re: Here we go again ! [Re: VernMotor] #1374006 01/22/13 11:37 PM 01/22/13 11:37 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,544 Syracuse,NY CompWedgeEngines master
CompWedgeEngines master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,544 Syracuse,NY	My opinion....everyone is WAAAAY overthinking this.....the pin fit was done wrong. My RIP Monte Smith Your work is a reflection of yourself, autograph it with quality. WD for Diamond Pistons,Sidewinder cylinder heads, Wiseco, K1 rods and cranks,BAM lifters, Morel lifters, Molnar Technologies, Harland Sharp, Pro Gear, Cometic, King Engine Bearings and many others.

Re: Here we go again ! [Re: CompWedgeEngines] #1374007 01/22/13 11:45 PM 01/22/13 11:45 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio VernMotor OP master
VernMotor OP master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio	Quote: My opinion....everyone is WAAAAY overthinking this.....the pin fit was done wrong. My I agree.. just hard to believe that I let it happen two times !

Re: Here we go again ! [Re: VernMotor] #1374008 01/22/13 11:58 PM 01/22/13 11:58 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: Quote: My opinion....everyone is WAAAAY overthinking this.....the pin fit was done wrong. My I agree.. just hard to believe that I let it happen two times ! So maybe its time time change to another guy... 2 times... and the third your out.... sorry to see you have a issue... time to sleeve it again

Re: Here we go again ! [Re: 572charger] #1374009 01/23/13 12:08 AM 01/23/13 12:08 AM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 6,569 Downtown Roebuck Ont Twostick Still wishing...
Twostick Still wishing... Joined: May 2003 Posts: 6,569 Downtown Roebuck Ont	Quote: did u pin fit the rods ? all brand new rods need pin fitted to the piston pins u are useing , even my 1600..00 olivers needed done i put 9 tenths to a little over 1 thou depending on application ,no2 and blown/ turbo need more because they will gauld the pin to the bushing easy !! 440Source told me right up front the pins bushings needed to be honed to fit. Kevin

Re: Here we go again ! [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1374010 01/23/13 12:08 AM 01/23/13 12:08 AM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio VernMotor OP master
VernMotor OP master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio	No sleeve , had 6 blocks sonic checked and got a good one to start with.

Re: Here we go again ! [Re: VernMotor] #1374011 01/23/13 12:15 AM 01/23/13 12:15 AM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: No sleeve , had 6 blocks sonic checked and got a good one to start with.

Re: Here we go again ! [Re: VernMotor] #1374012 01/23/13 12:27 AM 01/23/13 12:27 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,303 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,303 Bend,OR USA	Time to pay your dues to the guy upstairs to stop the hating, that may change your "luck" Just kidding Vern, I sincerely hope it gets better for you and yours I've seen black spots on the back of the rod bearings and in the rod where the bearing sits caused by detonation Mainly lack of fuel delivery the last three hundred in the 1/4 mile Last edited by Cab_Burge; 01/23/13 12:30 AM. Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: Here we go again ! [Re: Cab_Burge] #1374013 01/23/13 01:21 AM 01/23/13 01:21 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,591 Canton, Ohio S Sport440 master
Sport440 master S Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,591 Canton, Ohio	Quote: Time to pay your dues to the guy upstairs to stop the hating, that may change your "luck" Just kidding Vern, I sincerely hope it gets better for you and yours I've seen black spots on the back of the rod bearings and in the rod where the bearing sits caused by detonation Mainly lack of fuel delivery the last three hundred in the 1/4 mile From the pics of the crank side of the rod bearings, you can see hammering indications/stripes. Thats a sign of detonation witch will actually Hammer worse at the pins. Your bushed pins seem to be showing that,IMO. Can you show pics of some of the piston tops of the worst involved cylinders. Last edited by Sport440; 01/23/13 02:14 AM.

Re: Here we go again ! [Re: CompWedgeEngines] #1374014 01/23/13 10:12 AM 01/23/13 10:12 AM
Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 2,054 Mooresburg, Tn ' '72CudaRacer top fuel
'72CudaRacer top fuel ' Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 2,054 Mooresburg, Tn	Quote: My opinion....everyone is WAAAAY overthinking this.....the pin fit was done wrong. My I absolutely agree with Todd on this. I used new Ohio Crankshaft rods on my build a few years ago and took the rods and pistons to my machine shop to have them fitted. They fitted them with approx. .0003" (if I remember correctly) like they do all of their engines (mostly BB Chev). After talking to Todd, I took them back to the shop and ask them to hone them some more, to approx .0008". They didn't want to hone them that much. We settled on approx .0006". No problems so far. They felt like the bushing were being honed to "worn out". My position to the machinist was MY rods, MY bushing, MY engine, MY responsibility. This is not a Chevy. If they are worn out in a season, I'll pay you to put new bushings in then. The problem that you (Jamie) are having is exactly what Todd warned me would happen if they were too tight. Thanks again Todd! Getting ready to start the 3rd season on this engine. It has been freshened up (bearings, rings, valve springs, ect), rod bushings still good. Brian Dunnigan

Re: Here we go again ! [Re: '72CudaRacer] #1374015 01/23/13 12:49 PM 01/23/13 12:49 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio VernMotor OP master
VernMotor OP master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio	I did go though a samll amount of time maybe 3-4 weks of having a fuel delivery problem mosty 1/8 stuff we run. but that is all fixed now.. I only run 32deg of timing .

Re: Here we go again ! [Re: VernMotor] #1374016 01/23/13 09:12 PM 01/23/13 09:12 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,413 Johnstown 69dart pro stock
69dart pro stock Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,413 Johnstown	I think that was an ignition box issue causing the popping this summer - wasn't it? If I had to guess I would bet that popping and banging didnt help. What shop are you going with this time? Mann is putting all my stuff together this time around. I can't wait to get this thing back in the car. 33 Plymouth Roadster - 383 - 5.90 1/8th 9.58 1/4 68 Dart - 340 66 Belvedere - 400 Windy Hollow Garage - https://www.youtube.com/@windyhollowgarage

Re: Here we go again ! [Re: 69dart] #1374017 01/23/13 09:24 PM 01/23/13 09:24 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio VernMotor OP master
VernMotor OP master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio	Yea we did have that happen too.. Shade racing is going to do it this time around.

Re: Here we go again ! [Re: VernMotor] #1374018 01/23/13 10:13 PM 01/23/13 10:13 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,247 Mt. Vernon, Ohio dartman366 I Live Here
dartman366 I Live Here Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,247 Mt. Vernon, Ohio	Quote: Yea we did have that happen too.. Shade racing is going to do it this time around. Light travels faster than the speed of sound,,,this is why some people seem bright untill you hear them speak.

Re: Here we go again ! [Re: dartman366] #1374019 03/04/13 11:00 PM 03/04/13 11:00 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio VernMotor OP master
VernMotor OP master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio	So the new machinist called said my crank is also cracked in many places. I said I told you it would be. He can't believe it .. so 1 1/2 years later same problems crack sleeve- crack crank and wrist pin bushing bad, the very same things wrong as before.I am starting to think it is all because of the crack sleeve. Water getting in to that cy and detonating . He wonder about the balance job ? I am not sure what to think ?

Re: Here we go again ! [Re: VernMotor] #1374020 03/04/13 11:13 PM 03/04/13 11:13 PM
Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 3,410 Belpre,Ohio C CHAPPER master
CHAPPER master C Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 3,410 Belpre,Ohio	Were you still running that ballast resistor with the MSD....when you were having the popin'/fuel problem...? If you like drag racing, support your local track.

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