Help Me Put This Engine Together Please!!!
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01/17/13 01:16 PM
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Re: Help Me Put This Engine Together Please!!!
[Re: Sb Valiant]
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01/17/13 01:52 PM
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A couple of things here... the heads.. you have .660 lift so the heads need to have a peak flow in the .500 lift range.. thats pretty easy with a W-2.. but it doesnt say what the flow is... a set of W-2 can have a flow of 300 cfm pretty easy.. you need to show all the specs on the cam so we get a idea of the duration anf see what it will turn in the rpm range... you will be happier with a H beam rod... I have torn a I-beam in half before and when I changed over to the H-beams I havent had any problems... flat top pistons have a much better flame front.. it doesnt have to burn around corners or humps.... have you sat down to figure out your goals with the car... thats a MUST... then figure out the budget for the car then the budget for the engine..... its cheaper and easier to make the car lighter than it is to make more HP, plus its easier on parts
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Re: Help Me Put This Engine Together Please!!!
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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01/17/13 02:25 PM
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How much does the Valiant weigh? This will tell you how much power you need to run 10's. My Dart weighs 2815 race ready and has ran 9.95 @ 133 with a lot less engine than you're talking about building. Let's see those cam specs.
70 Dart Swinger, 2850 lbs SB 408, Bullet roller 264/268 @50 .636 SSDS stage 2 Edelbrock heads, 1 7/8 Headmans, 1050 dominator by Dom, 9.867 @ 133
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Re: Help Me Put This Engine Together Please!!!
[Re: Sb Valiant]
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01/17/13 04:20 PM
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if that cam with those lifters can be made to work with your heads you have a great head start! then you can focus on making the bottom end to support the power. you should have no problem running 10's unless you have a 3800 pound car. stuff to think about for the bottom end, in addition to the H-beams 4-bolt mains crank work, maybe even a MP stroker crank. or better yet, if you are rich lol: http://www.winbergcrankshafts.com/pdf/products/dodgesmallblockfinished.pdfoil system: exernal system, keep that top end oiled and cool. high lift makes valve springs work hard get real hot, they can lose their temper if they dont stay cool enough block filling - totally clean block and passages, then you can strengthen the lower end with a partial fill if you go past 600hp it's probably best it's a lot of money for some of that stuff. if you are not rich i'd build the most solid bottom end you can, dont skimp on the oiling and limit your HP/RPM's, 4 bolt mains if possible.
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Re: Help Me Put This Engine Together Please!!!
[Re: 408strokerdart]
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01/17/13 07:03 PM
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I would never go over 12.5:1 compression with a 10 bolt head. I was told a long time ago (by a very wise Herb McCandless) that I would benefit more from a lightweight rotating assembly than I would by trying to add compression over 12:1. Different story with an 18 bolt head and R3 block.
That compression number mean nothing, its all in the valve closing
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Re: Help Me Put This Engine Together Please!!!
[Re: Cab_Burge]
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01/17/13 10:30 PM
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Buy the 1.6 ratio rockers, not the 1.5 Same price so get the increased lift and effective duration
THIS is the way to go! Even w/1.6 rocker only about .600 lift on intake. Let that money thats burning a hole in your pocket cool down and get a game plan before you order parts that won't work. Ask questions and buy smart, you will be much happier with the results!
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Re: Help Me Put This Engine Together Please!!!
[Re: Coldart]
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01/18/13 02:39 AM
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As Mike said, at your weight, it should be quite easy to run a 10 second pass. You would be able to run high tens in your car with a factory headed 360, so a W2 headed 340 should do it no problem. Are you W2's the Econo head with the open chamber? I wouldn't get too caught up with running monster compression, for your goals it is totally unnecessary. As has already been suggested, around 12:1 should be enough. On a 340 with an open chamber head, a domed piston is going to be necessary. The reality is, you could reach your goals with the parts you have already, you'll drop $5-10K in engine upgrades etc before you know it.
Alan Jones
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Re: Help Me Put This Engine Together Please!!!
[Re: Sb Valiant]
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01/18/13 01:46 PM
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You can't run pump gas with 12:1 compression and an iron head.
-Dustin 67 Dart, 9 second, 392" G3 Hemi 68 Barracuda 340 F/SA
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Re: Help Me Put This Engine Together Please!!!
[Re: Triple Threat]
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01/18/13 01:51 PM
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X2.....and I'd be concerned about your engine builder's intentions for recommending aluminum rods!
Last edited by Locomotion; 01/18/13 01:52 PM.
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Re: Help Me Put This Engine Together Please!!!
[Re: Abodyjohn88]
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01/18/13 02:26 PM
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This thread is a certafied s#!t show
And why do you say that?
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Re: Help Me Put This Engine Together Please!!!
[Re: slippery440]
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01/18/13 07:42 PM
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This thread is a certafied s#!t show
I HAVE TO AGREE Sb Valiant Please don't take this wrong and stop comming here for advice. Here is what I have learned from reading and asking questions on Moparts on how to build a motor. You can throw 50% of the post away because thats how many that have no clue how to build their own junk or their junk is still in pieces.You can throw 20 percent away because those guys have way to much money and you can never get the espensive parts they want you to get.Then about 15% are great guys and can answer tech questions and will steer you in the right direction. Then the last 15% are people that could care less.They just add fluff and crap from what they have read.These people have no car or a motor but someday they are going to build a monster. I will give you a little advice. First thing you need to have is a plan.Sounds if you have this.Do a search on moparts on 408 builds. You can see many motors that are running and the outcome.You can see what parts will work together and make power. Second thing is a budjit. This is cold hard cash that you either have or can make in a short time. I find most guys want the best parts and spend till the money is gone and the build is half done. Then people like me buy their junk for half price a couple years later. Third Buy the best quialty parts you can cheap. You can find deals all the time from the guys I talked about in number 2 step.#4 Stay away from fancy parts like aluminum rods and caps and gear drives and bushed lifter bores and so on. All cost more money up front then double the machining cost and some cases less engine life.I would never buy a used set of aluminum rods. They have a life of so many cycles and after that its like a gun with one bullet in the chamber and when will that chamber come to the top. Build a motor that you can put 200 pass's a year then store it and do it again the next year. Mabe the third year tip it upside down and check the bearings. If you did everything right you put the pan back on and your ready for the next season.THE BIGGEST THING OF ALL!! Make sure your engine shop is the best one you have in the area and you can see the motors that have been built by him.Every engine builder is only as good as the last one he built.Never let him steer you to what he has to sell you for your motor.Most likely its parts he was traded for labor and he has no clue if they good or junk.The guy the does heads cheap? Thats where you make the HP.If he does not port heads for a profession leave the heads alone and do a good 3 angle valve grind and make sure the push rods are not hitting anywhere and the heads are flat.Don't worry about flow numbers.Some head porters can make any head flow the number you want even if it not true and plus you can take the same head to anouther shop with a flow machine and get a differant flow number. All I can say is a crap port job will kill you. I have a friend that has a low cost Abody that races at mine and his home track that truly amazes me on how fast that car goes. He is in the 10s and if he can do it you can.
I agree, been racing and building for over 20 years...... You are on a budget. Work with the stuff you have, put good bolts in your rods re-size them..... Get the high RPM out of your head!!!!......... you don't need it and are not ready yet!!!! The only thing i would change is your cam.. that cam is by far the wrong cam for your combo......
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Re: Help Me Put This Engine Together Please!!!
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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01/18/13 10:12 PM
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This thread is a certafied s#!t show
And why do you say that?
Way to much knowledge and good advice coming from you guys and its falling on deaf ears imho.
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Re: Help Me Put This Engine Together Please!!!
[Re: Coldart]
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01/18/13 10:44 PM
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Slippery440 is right on the money, very good advice!
Actually that cam is perfect for what he has, installed @106 w/good valve job = 500hp @7000 that would run all day long. It would need compression so pump gas isn't gonna work. Properly assembled with No tricks And NO aluminum rods!
Ya...... Maybe If he can find a piston that will give him lots of compression, ........cam is still HUGE IMO........ But what do I know...... my solid ft is only 244/ 256 @ .050 which runs mid tens with factory heads turning under 7000 rpm at 3200 lbs....
take a look at this piston... Ross 99788^ NO PUMP GAS my friend!!!!!
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