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What Intake Is Better Then The M-1 #1364248 01/04/13 05:54 PM 01/04/13 05:54 PM
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Sb Valiant OP enthusiast S Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 358 western PA	We are currently running an M-1 intake manifold on a 340 small block but I want to try a different intake possibly for testing next year! Anyone compare the M-1 to any other intakes and seen any gains? This is an all out drag car only no street use!

Re: What Intake Is Better Then The M-1 [Re: Sb Valiant] #1364249 01/04/13 06:05 PM 01/04/13 06:05 PM
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Paul_Fancsali master P Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,931	I love the LD340 I have used and ran strip dom /street dom/ Dual plane M 1 and the edelbrock dual plane.The ld with 4 hole is tough to beat on the street.

Re: What Intake Is Better Then The M-1 [Re: Paul_Fancsali] #1364250 01/04/13 06:13 PM 01/04/13 06:13 PM
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MIKES_DUSTER master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,146 Now - Port Orange,Fla. Former...	Quote: I love the LD340 I have used and ran strip dom /street dom/ Dual plane M 1 and the edelbrock dual plane.The ld with 4 hole is tough to beat on the street. Its a all out drag car,not street driven.

Re: What Intake Is Better Then The M-1 [Re: MIKES_DUSTER] #1364251 01/04/13 07:15 PM 01/04/13 07:15 PM
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Sb Valiant OP enthusiast S Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 358 western PA	Yes thanks mike! It's an all out drag car and it sees no street use. Sorry I should have been more clear in my post!

Re: What Intake Is Better Then The M-1 [Re: Sb Valiant] #1364252 01/04/13 07:34 PM 01/04/13 07:34 PM
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rickraw top fuel R Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 2,408 Ambridge, Pa.	u were

Re: What Intake Is Better Then The M-1 [Re: rickraw] #1364253 01/04/13 07:45 PM 01/04/13 07:45 PM
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Crizila master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az	Victor 340. 7533103-eddie340.jpg (106 downloads) Fastest 300

Re: What Intake Is Better Then The M-1 [Re: rickraw] #1364254 01/04/13 09:19 PM 01/04/13 09:19 PM
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Sb Valiant OP enthusiast S Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 358 western PA	I edited it just didn't mark it as edit. Sorry for all of the confusion folks!

Re: What Intake Is Better Then The M-1 [Re: Crizila] #1364255 01/04/13 09:22 PM 01/04/13 09:22 PM
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Sb Valiant OP enthusiast S Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 358 western PA	So the victor 340's work good huh? I wonder if anyone else varify this?

Re: What Intake Is Better Then The M-1 [Re: Sb Valiant] #1364256 01/04/13 10:21 PM 01/04/13 10:21 PM
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1Fast340 master 1 Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 2,578 sweden	Quote: So the victor 340's work good huh? I wonder if anyone else varify this? i belive that it would be alot easier for most to give good recomendations if you told us more about your whole build

Re: What Intake Is Better Then The M-1 [Re: 1Fast340] #1364257 01/04/13 11:19 PM 01/04/13 11:19 PM
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Sb Valiant OP enthusiast S Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 358 western PA	It's an unknown parts motor basically is what we are dealing with. At the moment I know that it has roughly a 560 lift mechanical flat tappet cam, Ductile iron rockers, 8 bolt crank, w2 heads. I am pretty sure it is a standard bore and stroke. There is supposed to be trw 13:1 pistons. I am not sure what the heads flow or what real valve size it has but it's post to be 2.08 int. valves. Also post to be ported but won't know untill we take heads off! It currently has 1 5/8 headers which may be a bit small and they are built like crap! We also have a 750 cfm proform street series carb that is junk because we did to much messing with it. From when we had the oil pan off looked like steel rods and pretty much just a stock oiling system with a 7 qt home made oil pan. Other then that that's pretty much all I can tell you on the engine combo.. The car itself is a 1963 plymouth valiant. It's pretty lite weighs about 2600 on the dot wo/d and 2800 w/d. It has a 904 tranny with a turbo action valve body. 8 3/4 rear end. Either going with a 5.13 or 4.86 gear for next yr. Torque converter is just a TCI 10" 4000 stall that really isn't correct for the combination by any means but that's what we have to work with at the moment!

Re: What Intake Is Better Then The M-1 [Re: Sb Valiant] #1364258 01/04/13 11:58 PM 01/04/13 11:58 PM
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Crizila master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az	Quote: It's an unknown parts motor basically is what we are dealing with. At the moment I know that it has roughly a 560 lift mechanical flat tappet cam, Ductile iron rockers, 8 bolt crank, w2 heads. I am pretty sure it is a standard bore and stroke. There is supposed to be trw 13:1 pistons. I am not sure what the heads flow or what real valve size it has but it's post to be 2.08 int. valves. Also post to be ported but won't know untill we take heads off! It currently has 1 5/8 headers which may be a bit small and they are built like crap! We also have a 750 cfm proform street series carb that is junk because we did to much messing with it. From when we had the oil pan off looked like steel rods and pretty much just a stock oiling system with a 7 qt home made oil pan. Other then that that's pretty much all I can tell you on the engine combo.. The car itself is a 1963 plymouth valiant. It's pretty lite weighs about 2600 on the dot wo/d and 2800 w/d. It has a 904 tranny with a turbo action valve body. 8 3/4 rear end. Either going with a 5.13 or 4.86 gear for next yr. Torque converter is just a TCI 10" 4000 stall that really isn't correct for the combination by any means but that's what we have to work with at the moment! As said, you have to take it apart at least enough to find out where your at. Don't know why someone would want to bolt on a set of 1 5/8" headers on a set of ported W2's w/ 2.08" intake valves. Cam and 750 carb aint matchin up too well ether. Fastest 300

Re: What Intake Is Better Then The M-1 [Re: Sb Valiant] #1364259 01/05/13 01:26 AM 01/05/13 01:26 AM
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MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	You have MULTIPLE things wrong for your set up..but we also need to know the RPM you turn it to... you should be up in the revs.... if you are then your headers are too small, carb is too small and its likely your cam is too small.... this is based on a W-2 head with a 2.08 valve... sure they may not be a set of maxed out heads but they should be real close to 300cfm(maybe more, maybe a little less)... and for your engine that M1 shouldnt be a bad intake... the intake isnt your choke point

Re: What Intake Is Better Then The M-1 [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1364260 01/05/13 03:04 AM 01/05/13 03:04 AM
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Re: What Intake Is Better Then The M-1 [Re: Sb Valiant] #1364261 01/05/13 03:50 AM 01/05/13 03:50 AM
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Moparmal master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,943 Melbourne.....Oz-land	Instead of swapping out - your time or $ might be better spent cleaning up the M1 plenum. They are pretty diabolical in "as cast" condition....lots of sharp edges on the dividers. 67 RO23 clone with 6.1 SRT Hemi and dual quads. Soon to have Drag Pak induction and Throttle body.

Re: What Intake Is Better Then The M-1 [Re: Moparmal] #1364262 01/05/13 04:38 AM 01/05/13 04:38 AM
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viperblue72 top fuel V Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,141 junction city oregon	I like the m1 for 340 cubic inches. I think it broadens the torque a little more than the victor. And peak performance is very similar.

Re: What Intake Is Better Then The M-1 [Re: viperblue72] #1364263 01/05/13 12:38 PM 01/05/13 12:38 PM
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Plymouth340 mopar Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 501 CEDAR RAPIDS	1 7/8 headers indy intake and holley 850 i think would help..

Re: What Intake Is Better Then The M-1 [Re: viperblue72] #1364264 01/05/13 12:38 PM 01/05/13 12:38 PM
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madmax2 member Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 143 Buenos Aires, ARGENTINA	Did you consider using Weiand Xcelerator? '70 Dodge GTX sb 418ci (Early A-body), Lunati Solid cam 270°/243°@.050/.548", Edelbrock Heads, Weiand X-CELerator, Holley Terminator EFI, Tremec 6 sp manual, 3.90:1, TTI Headers.

Re: What Intake Is Better Then The M-1 [Re: madmax2] #1364265 01/05/13 01:21 PM 01/05/13 01:21 PM
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emarine01 master E Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,695 nc	I would think that 1 3/4 header would be a min starting point if you plan on turning over 6k rather than a intake change

Re: What Intake Is Better Then The M-1 [Re: emarine01] #1364266 01/05/13 03:38 PM 01/05/13 03:38 PM
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Sb Valiant OP enthusiast S Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 358 western PA	I hear ya guys! The headers are off the car now and building another set! Thinking 1 7/8 would work nice! If I posted a pic of the headers that we ran on the car you would want to lol. I plan on buying probaly a 950 holley hp. I have 2 intake spacers to try. I am thinking it might be better off with the 1 inch open wood spacer instead of the 2 inch open aluminum but will know over the summer when we try them both back to back! We are going to go through everything and make sure everything is leggit what ever is not is getting pitched! Other then that will just try and keep tweaking the combo untill we hit a sweet spot!

Re: What Intake Is Better Then The M-1 [Re: Moparmal] #1364267 01/05/13 03:41 PM 01/05/13 03:41 PM
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Sb Valiant OP enthusiast S Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 358 western PA	I hear ya! We just might have to do that!!! It's alot cheaper and we don't even know if the intake is port matched. Will know when we take it off and if it needs port matched there could be a couple hp there! Also like you said cleaning up the plenum! When I took the carburetor off from my understanding it doesn't look like the plenum hasn't been touched!

Re: What Intake Is Better Then The M-1 [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1364268 01/05/13 03:55 PM 01/05/13 03:55 PM
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Sb Valiant OP enthusiast S Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 358 western PA	To tell you the truth Mr P Body I have no idea what kind of rpms we will be trying to turn? I know this combination calls for alot of rpm but our set up really isn't rpm friendly at the moment IMO.. The engine has been close to 7800 rpm but since we have such weak valve spring pressures it doesn't like it so much. Our highest valve spring on the seat was only like 112 lbs.. SO we would deffiently have to change valve springs, oiling system, possibly cam and all of the buttons in the engine that holds everything together! I would love to put the 5.13 gears I have sitting in the box and go racing but I don't know what rpm it's going to turn. It has some what of a tight converter and 29.5x10.5 hoosiers that measure 30.6 tall and 11.1 wide. Circumfrence is 96" at 10 lbs and 96 1/2" at 11 lbs. A few people think we are only going to go through at 6800-7200 rpm and some people think 8000 rpm..

Re: What Intake Is Better Then The M-1 [Re: Sb Valiant] #1364269 01/05/13 08:28 PM 01/05/13 08:28 PM
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LA360 master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,145 Melbourne , Australia	Revving the crap out of it isn't going to make you necessarily faster. Those springs won't like past 5500-6000 if you have 3/8" stem valves. The M1 for W2 heads is water heated, it's not the best intake for a stroker, but I don't see it being too much of an hindrance on your engine. As Mike pointed out, you have a bunch of other issues with your combination that you should be worrying about. Make a list, test at the track, Record your data. Alan Jones

Re: What Intake Is Better Then The M-1 [Re: LA360] #1364270 01/06/13 01:56 PM 01/06/13 01:56 PM
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Sb Valiant OP enthusiast S Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 358 western PA	That's probaly what the valve stems are is 3/8 but will know for sure hopefully next weekend! Yep going to go through and find all the issues and correct everything to the best of our ability and run her and see what happens! I appreciate all the help and info everyone provides on here! Thanks guys!

Re: What Intake Is Better Then The M-1 [Re: LA360] #1364271 01/08/13 11:09 AM 01/08/13 11:09 AM
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Rob C super stock R Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 792 Earth	Alan, MoPar has W2 intakes that are not water heated. The unit that is water heated is considered there street strip.

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