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If you cant quite afford the Harlands...the next step would be Dove or Hughes . I ran used Doves for several years with now problem and I "think" they still make them in Ohio ?

Either one is around $425 last time I looked.

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Soooooo, I just got some Harland Sharps from Mancini Racing. These are the "Exclusive" ones, supposedly, only available from them. They advertise them as a "bushed type" but there's NO bushing just a "non-roller" set-up.

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So did you call them and ask where your bushing are ? If they are advertise that they are. I would been upset if they did't come that way. I been thinking about buying a set of them.. But this might change my mind.

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Uhhhhh, NO! I knew they didn't have actual bushings when I read the statement "bushed type" in the sale flyer rather than "bushed". Azzzzzzz I said, for the price of new Crane Golds (not bushed either) and used/old iron ductile (not bushed,). And then the rocker rails. The budget HS's are a feasible upgrade. Next up from there would be the Hughes and that would be another $100 (They're not stated as "bushed" either so caveat emptor!!). Got to stop the bleeding somewhere.

Racing & Mopars is just a hobby for me. I have the better HS rollers for my Indy EZ-1's. These budget rockers are for a MP 484 cam'd 440 that will go into a street/strip car that either my son or I will drive. When I do a stroker 400/451 with Stage VI'ers I have they may get transfered over..........or not.

Feel free to throw any extra/surplus cash my way if you really feel I need to upgrade now!

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Soooooo, I just got some Harland Sharps from Mancini Racing. These are the "Exclusive" ones, supposedly, only available from them. They advertise them as a "bushed type" but there's NO bushing just a "non-roller" set-up.

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Have you considered using Comp Cams Ultra Pro Magnum™ Rocker Arms?

Has anyone tried these with a large solid flat tappet or hydraulic/solid roller cam?

They look like a high quality part, and they come bushed. Not cheap.

http://www.compcams.com/ultrapromagnum/

http://www.compperformancegroupstores.co...;Category_Code=

http://www.compperformancegroupstores.co...;Category_Code=

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/cca-1621-16 Big Block Mopar

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/cca-1622-16 Small Block Mopar

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use them in my small block mopar 430 build
very happy with them - alignment was best out of all the rockers I tested - HS, crane gold and these.

The sweep was the best also - they even allowed a 3.8 pushrod in the eddy head without grinding. The HS and cranes did not allow this -

this was for my application and another 408 with a similar setup - same results.

close up you can see there is a proprietary coating on them - some dimpled coating that is very slick.

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That's just plain deceptive then, thanks for the heads up.


How can you use the term "bushed type" without a bushing being present?

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They should have stated something like "shaft type non-bushed" to be perfectly clear. Yes, it is a bit decepetive but at that price range I haven't found any others that are bushed. Or state that they are.

I tend to look at it like this............the non-bushed type may actually have more "loadbearing" ability than the bushed rockers that use two narrow bushings like the Comp Cams rockers I've seen. Roller fulcrum rockers are actually harder on the shafts due to the needlebearings having a finer load specifically focused where each needlebearing touches than the way a bushing spreads it out. That's when the loose tolerances of poor manufacturing and poor metal quality breaks down those import rockers so quickly. AND the stock set-up never had bushings due to the system having a direct oil fed system pushing oil on them. They don't usually gall until dirt or metal is in the motor.

So, you either pay the big $$ and get HS, T&D or Jesel.........or mid-to low end hobby guys like myself buy the non-roller extruded Hughes, Dove or budget HS's.

The Doves do look like a nice product and American made!!

http://www.4secondsflat.com/Dove%20Rocker%20Arms.htm

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That's just plain deceptive then, thanks for the heads up.


How can you use the term "bushed type" without a bushing being present?

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They should have stated something like "shaft type non-bushed" to be perfectly clear. Yes, it is a bit decepetive but at that price range I haven't found any others that are bushed. Or state that they are.

I tend to look at it like this............the non-bushed type may actually have more "loadbearing" ability than the bushed rockers that use two narrow bushings like the Comp Cams rockers I've seen. Roller fulcrum rockers are actually harder on the shafts due to the needlebearings having a finer load specifically focused where each needlebearing touches than the way a bushing spreads it out. That's when the loose tolerances of poor manufacturing and poor metal quality breaks down those import rockers so quickly. AND the stock set-up never had bushings due to the system having a direct oil fed system pushing oil on them. They don't usually gall until dirt or metal is in the motor.

So, you either pay the big $$ and get HS, T&D or Jesel.........or mid-to low end hobby guys like myself buy the non-roller extruded Hughes, Dove or budget HS's.

The Doves do look like a nice product and American made!!

http://www.4secondsflat.com/Dove%20Rocker%20Arms.htm

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There is a reason that the roller rockers use the
bearings... its to get oil to the shaft area... if
you run a bushed style rocker with big spring pressure
it doesnt get oil on the shaft.. yes it will get oil
on it at low RPM... thats why they say dont use them
on high RPM engines(it doesnt have time to get the
oil to slide back down to the bottom load area)

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How about the ones rocker arm specialties sells. Arent they stainless? I read about them in Andy's book but I really do not know much about them.

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You got a link to these Josh ?

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they are dove rocker arms. i have broke every set i have used. not good for roller cams..... again, when rockers cost that little, you will get what you pay for.

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I have seen a lot of post about Indy rockers ..being Bad..I only run a .590 lift cam with 325 open pressures and have run crane iron rockers for years I have 2-3 of them galling. on the inside. I have good shafts. it cleans right off the shafts .but I need to do something. I wish I could have then bushed. But not sure it is worth the money to do. or who to get to do it. I don't think R.A.S is doing anything.

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That's just plain deceptive then, thanks for the heads up.


How can you use the term "bushed type" without a bushing being present?

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They should have stated something like "shaft type non-bushed" to be perfectly clear. Yes, it is a bit decepetive but at that price range I haven't found any others that are bushed. Or state that they are.

I tend to look at it like this............the non-bushed type may actually have more "loadbearing" ability than the bushed rockers that use two narrow bushings like the Comp Cams rockers I've seen. Roller fulcrum rockers are actually harder on the shafts due to the needlebearings having a finer load specifically focused where each needlebearing touches than the way a bushing spreads it out. That's when the loose tolerances of poor manufacturing and poor metal quality breaks down those import rockers so quickly. AND the stock set-up never had bushings due to the system having a direct oil fed system pushing oil on them. They don't usually gall until dirt or metal is in the motor.

So, you either pay the big $$ and get HS, T&D or Jesel.........or mid-to low end hobby guys like myself buy the non-roller extruded Hughes, Dove or budget HS's.

The Doves do look like a nice product and American made!!

http://www.4secondsflat.com/Dove%20Rocker%20Arms.htm

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There is a reason that the roller rockers use the
bearings... its to get oil to the shaft area... if
you run a bushed style rocker with big spring pressure
it doesnt get oil on the shaft.. yes it will get oil
on it at low RPM... thats why they say dont use them
on high RPM engines(it doesnt have time to get the
oil to slide back down to the bottom load area)

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If that`s the case then what about the hemi bushed rockers I`ve seen and those motors went well past 7500 rpm`s.