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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1354226
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Which set of these shims/nuts do you think will get the boot?
On one side for the fender aprons, an ounce was shaved with the aluminum versions. On the passenger side, a whopping 2-3/4 ounces were removed being that there were five steel shims to seat and align that fender correctly.
Fairly easy to make using flat stock aluminum and cutting/filing a U-shape slot for the fastener.





Better yet, is plastic shims that can be bought at HD as flat stock. Just drill through a stack and use what you need. Half the weight of the aluminum and easier to work with.

It can even be U shaped slotted fast with a drill bit or die grinder.

I posted this before, somewhere in the thousand or so posts on this thread.

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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: Sport440] #1354229
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(Better yet, is plastic shims that can be bought at HD as flat stock. Just drill through a stack and use what you need. Half the weight of the aluminum and easier to work with.

It can even be U shaped slotted fast with a drill bit or die grinder.

I posted this before, somewhere in the thousand or so posts on this thread.)
Sport440: I should of thought of that one. Though the aluminum types are super light, the plastic versions would be lighter being that we are talking about micro ounces here that at the end of the day could add up. Thanks.

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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1354230
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(14) Trans oil pan bolts saved almost 4.5 ounces. The engine oil pan bolts saved an additional 5.5 ounces. In English, that translates to almost 1/2 pound.
I used 2024-T4 bolts with aluminum lock washers.
By the way, that Moroso fabricated aluminum pan saved 4 pounds from the cast aluminum pan I had before.

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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1354231
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(14) Trans oil pan bolts saved almost 4.5 ounces. The engine oil pan bolts saved an additional 5.5 ounces. In English, that translates to 1/2 pound.
I used 2024-T4 bolts with aluminum lock washers.
By the way, that Moroso fabricated aluminum pan saved 4 pounds from the cast aluminum pan I had before.






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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1354232
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(14) By the way, that Moroso fabricated aluminum pan saved 4 pounds from the cast aluminum pan I had before.




Yep, sounds about right on the trans pan. My Summit cast aluminum deep trans pan weighs a TON, not to mention the extra fluid weight. I have a 904, has to be even more for a 727. It's surprising how much that thing weighs. Probably should have stuck with the ghetto old MP chrome one...


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The old Mopar chrome one might create more heat in the fluid than its worth. I'd rather stay with an old and true deep regular steel one if the budget is tight. The steel one is I believe lighter than the cast aluminum types.

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The old Mopar chrome one might create more heat in the fluid than its worth. I'd rather stay with an old and true deep regular steel one if the budget is tight. The steel one is I believe lighter than the cast aluminum types.




The 518 pans are deeper and bolt right up. That's what I use on my 727's.

Very tough black finish (powdercoat?).

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Here's a Fathers day present to myself that I installed today with a few bolts holding down the oil pump.
Here is where you splurge a little and get the good 6AL4V titanium grade for strength and light weight effects. After all, this is the heart life blood of the engine. Saved 4.55 ounces.

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Yes, If I remember correctly, I used the 518 pan as well. It would be my next choice over an aluminum cast type. Though they say that the fins cast into the bottoms belly make for more cooling effects.
Less weight creates less heat because of less stress.

Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1354237
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Yes, If I remember correctly, I used the 518 pan as well. It would be my next choice over an aluminum cast type. Though they say that the fins cast into the bottoms belly make for more cooling effects.
Less weight creates less heat because of less stress.




The cast pan probably helps with cooling, but the big 'ol stacked plate Supercooler I have mounted in front of the radiator is the workhorse. I did use all lightweight lines for plumbing it though - aluminum hard line and fittings with push lock hose for the flex parts. The cooler mount brackets are aluminum too. Could have used the zip ties they give you but those are chintzy. The aluminum radiator I have was ordered without the trans cooler in it so that saved some redundant weight.

The cast pan also has a very thick flange which certainly adds mass. Not to mention the extra material required for the longer bolts to secure it, multiplied by the number of pan bolts.

Thought about using one of those compact heat sink style coolers but wasn't sure if those were stout enough for regular street duty.

You know, this weight reduction stuff can be kind of a balancing act. Do I shave some weight at the risk of losing safety/durability or go with the heavier part for peace of mind?


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Safety and peace of mind is found in Titanium, though at a price.
Steel is the overall champ in safety, but it only needs to be applied to certain critical places.
Case in point, some of my buddies have mentioned why not use aluminum bolts for the pulleys,oil pump mount and such. I said, that was not logistical and from a engineering stand point, quite unrealistic and unsafe.
I'm not an engineering expert or even a metallurgist, but I do understand real stresses and centrifugal forces that do things to things over time. Certain items should be left alone and others can be fiddled with.

The fenders hang with good grade aluminum hardware because of the vibrations and oxidation, but in some cases, you can get away with certain fasteners because there are multiples of that fastener holding the item like the pan.

I've got to flic my Radiator and trans cooler which is just as big as the Radiator itself, but the same as yours, aluminum hardware and brackets everywhere.

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Here's a whole combo of front end stuff that's been tricked, but notice the over size Hatten trans cooler and brackets. The bumper and valance have spent lots of time at the Gym as well.

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Here's a close up of the cooler. It works fairly well even in 99 degree weather. Trans stays at 190-200, good operating temps from what I hear.

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Here you go guys:
"Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the lightest of them all?

A little humor goes a ways.

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Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the heaviest of them all?

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Since when ever the rear quarter windows are fixed closed, the tracks and whiskers hang there for the ride. Removing a good portion of both the tracks bottom ends as you see here shaves an additional 1-1/2 pounds. After that, a small aluminum brace is all that's needed to keep the track from shaking around in there.

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Here's the excess of the tracks after cut off.

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This particular piece will instigate the creative side of me as it will turn up in a light weight alloy very soon.
Keep posted as I walk you'll through the process. You won't believe how I will forge the various concave and swaged shapes of the horn ring and center dome.
Some times there are things in house hold catalogs, hardware stores and other sections of automotive items that lend themselves nicely to your projects. The center faceplate with the CORONET title will have to have the letters laser cut by a good friend in the metal business.

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