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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: Sport440] #1354006
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Don't scare me, I might forget what I tried to forget.LOL.
Serious, some scales are happy and some are not. Some are just off because of weather or the driver simply forgot to take out the spare and tools.
The very last time that I weighed my car at the track I forgot to take out the tools, spare, and it had a full tank of gas to the brim. It was just before I was leaving to go home. I'll get the numbers to you'll soon enough, just when I get to some good scales and when I go see my notes since I've been too busy to play with the thing other than writing on this board. But don't be fooled, these cars are heavy in that they have a thousand little places that have not been explored yet to really remove those last crucial pounds.
Just because 200-300-400-500 pounds are removed doesn't make the car light as in true lightweight, unless it's middle lightweight to start with.
Case in point, if one of those C-bodies weighs 4500 pounds and you remove 500-600 pounds, you still have a 3900 or so pound behemoth to contend with.

Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1354007
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Don't scare me, I might forget what I tried to forget.LOL.
Serious, some scales are happy and some are not. Some are just off because of weather or the driver simply forgot to take out the spare and tools.
The very last time that I weighed my car at the track I forgot to take out the tools, spare, and it had a full tank of gas to the brim. It was just before I was leaving to go home. I'll get the numbers to you'll soon enough, just when I get to some good scales and when I go see my notes since I've been too busy to play with the thing other than writing on this board. But don't be fooled, these cars are heavy in that they have a thousand little places that have not been explored yet to really remove those last crucial pounds.
Just because 200-300-400-500 pounds are removed doesn't make the car light as in true lightweight, unless it's middle lightweight to start with.
Case in point, if one of those C-bodies weighs 4500 pounds and you remove 500-600 pounds, you still have a 3900 or so pound behemoth to contend with.






No, No,

Im not asking for your current weight. No need to go to any scales

What was the approximate Base weight when you weighed it Two times about a year ago or so. No notes needed. Yes your car is heavy stock

But where abouts were you when you weighed it those Two times. Okay one time it was heavy with tools and a Full tank of gas. Thats a start, And the second time???????????????

Throw us a number! Come on! You stated you weighed it on two ocasions. Come on FMJ!

Do you need me to bring that post up again for you???

Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: Sport440] #1354008
11/25/13 01:05 AM
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Don't scare me, I might forget what I tried to forget.LOL.
Serious, some scales are happy and some are not. Some are just off because of weather or the driver simply forgot to take out the spare and tools.
The very last time that I weighed my car at the track I forgot to take out the tools, spare, and it had a full tank of gas to the brim. It was just before I was leaving to go home. I'll get the numbers to you'll soon enough, just when I get to some good scales and when I go see my notes since I've been too busy to play with the thing other than writing on this board. But don't be fooled, these cars are heavy in that they have a thousand little places that have not been explored yet to really remove those last crucial pounds.
Just because 200-300-400-500 pounds are removed doesn't make the car light as in true lightweight, unless it's middle lightweight to start with.
Case in point, if one of those C-bodies weighs 4500 pounds and you remove 500-600 pounds, you still have a 3900 or so pound behemoth to contend with.






No, No,

Im not asking for your current weight. No need to go to any scales

What was the approximate Base weight when you weighed it Two times about a year ago or so. No notes needed. Yes your car is heavy stock

But where abouts were you when you weighed it those Two times. Okay one time it was heavy with tools and a Full tank of gas. Thats a start, And the second time???????????????

Throw us a number! Come on! You stated you weighed it on two ocasions. Come on FMJ!

Do you need me to bring that post up again for you???




Me wants to know also............


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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: Crizila] #1354009
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No weight loss on mine, total cruiser built for comfort and style.


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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: Thumperdart] #1354010
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Don't scare me, I might forget what I tried to forget.LOL.
Serious, some scales are happy and some are not. Some are just off because of weather or the driver simply forgot to take out the spare and tools.
The very last time that I weighed my car at the track I forgot to take out the tools, spare, and it had a full tank of gas to the brim. It was just before I was leaving to go home. I'll get the numbers to you'll soon enough, just when I get to some good scales and when I go see my notes since I've been too busy to play with the thing other than writing on this board. But don't be fooled, these cars are heavy in that they have a thousand little places that have not been explored yet to really remove those last crucial pounds.
Just because 200-300-400-500 pounds are removed doesn't make the car light as in true lightweight, unless it's middle lightweight to start with.
Case in point, if one of those C-bodies weighs 4500 pounds and you remove 500-600 pounds, you still have a 3900 or so pound behemoth to contend with.






No, No,

Im not asking for your current weight. No need to go to any scales

What was the approximate Base weight when you weighed it Two times about a year ago or so. No notes needed. Yes your car is heavy stock

But where abouts were you when you weighed it those Two times. Okay one time it was heavy with tools and a Full tank of gas. Thats a start, And the second time???????????????

Throw us a number! Come on! You stated you weighed it on two ocasions. Come on FMJ!

Do you need me to bring that post up again for you???




Me wants to know also............







FMJ,

Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1354011
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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: Sport440] #1354012
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Fellas and gals, I'm traveling to Detroit at the moment, I'll be in touch from there. Serious, I'll be back on after a day or two.

Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1354013
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Anybody have real world numbers on going from a stock length a-body 8 3/4 w/spool, to a aluminum centered, aluminum spool, lightened ring gear, gun drilled axles?


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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: F1Scamp] #1354014
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I would probably say no more than 15-20 pounds being that the aluminum center saves about 10-12 lbs on its own, the spool should save another 3-4 lbs and the lighten axles and ring gear may be a couple of pounds at best. I could be wrong.

Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1354015
11/28/13 01:12 AM
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2/11/2013 To make this interesting and not seem like an @$&hole, lets just say it's lighter than it was bone stock at 3670 Lbs.



Lets make this fun, this is an all metal B-body street car.

Pick a number.

Later, "I'll mention what the car truly weighed last Summer with me, a rollbar and a full tank of gas".






Its ALOT "Later",

"I'll mention this,

3670# bone stock is lighter then I thought your car would start out at.


Thats a Base.

Pick a number, Last Summer "2012" maybe 3400#, after all your latest mods, this year "2013", 3250#

After tomorrow, Thanksgiving, maybe more, Race ready


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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: Sport440] #1354016
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Yeap, A lot later indeed, a lot later in the night that is was. While most of you were asleep I was typing the results of the Thumperdart submission turned into Thumperdart commission. LOL

I'm exhausted from a long day of meetings, thanksgivings and such, so bare with me.

Okay, from what I remember in the back lots of my mind, it was a bright and sunny day when I picked up my small block powered, manual drum brake, Power steering, AM radio, heater employed 2 door post sedan from a Brooklyn school teacher. I glimpsed down at my new registration and naively over joyed at the numbers; 3180 Lbs curb weight as it was sprung from the nest over at Lynch Rd. In hind site and said by Public Enemy, "Don't believe the type" LOL.

Almost immediately a year after and still believing the "Type" on the regi, a modest diet plan goes into affect and a first trip to the scales at the track shortly thereafter read: 3049 Lbs with out me in the seat and factoring in a half a tank of gas more or less.
Hard to believe but Wow, right direction. The "Type" must really be really, or so I thought.

A year later, I install my CM roll bar and apply a surgical knife with a more ambitious diet in place, half a tank of gas and with out me in the seat and head over to a local certified truck scale;
3370 Lbs,
WHAT!!!!! How could this be?
I could not see a CM roll bar piping in that much weight (321 Lbs), so I figured that the truck scale must be drunk being that the first track scale readings seemed parallel to what I was doing with the car's advertised 3180 weight. Or so I thought.

Oh well................. I go at it again with a few other dietary tricks and go to a scale reading last Summer at a different track with a full tank, tools, spare in the trunk and this time with me in the pilot seat.
3390 Lbs. WHATTTTT!!!!!!!!
Some body is drugging these scales or I'm a bad mathematician or a wishful tinkerer. I'm physically light, but not enough to only make a difference of 20 lbs on top of 3370 lbs. This confusion made both prior scale readings suspect along with the registration.

So where do I stand? IIRC, my strict records (not in front of me at the moment) tallied up all the weight trimmings to date since day one to be 620 lbs more or less.
Would that mean that this pup was well over 3670 Lbs from the factory based on the 3390 Lbs track scale reading?
This 3390 figure minus 620 lbs would presumedly mean that it was closer to 4000 Lbs or so originally and I find that hard to believe for a small block or even a big block 330 cheapo stripper with hardly any creature features.

So you see, I'm really confused or in denial as to the real cars weight now, but it's obviously lighter than its humble school teacher beginnings, what ever that figure may have been.
Now that I'm almost done with bulk weight removal and moving into micro weight removal territory, I'll look forward to having four well calibrated real world scales under all four wheels to come up with either a eureka moment or a heart break with more hard work left to do. And since I have recorded every ounce to the count of weight removed, I could actually know what this pup originally weighed by simply adding in the removed pounds to the figure the four wheel scales will say.

Details at 11.

Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1354017
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Totally surprised this post has had this much attention and I love it........lot`s of great ideas and totally confused Fullmetaljacked about the above post........ so, it weights somewhere between 3180-4000lbs......... Are you going to weight it on 4-corner scales anytime soon?


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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: Thumperdart] #1354018
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FMJ weighs 15,000 lbs with my tuck under it


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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: Thumperdart] #1354019
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Yes Sir. I have a friend who will lend me his scales. I'd yet to see state of the art scales at the tracks around town. Oh, I forgot, there are no tracks in or around town. Maybe 60 miles away.
In the mean while, special ops will continue on its way. Still here in Detroit and paid a small visit to Dave for a dip of some parts in the old etching tub.

Even though I have no actual number at the moment, I will get this pup down to the very high 20's while still wearing its iron skin.

Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1354020
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Yes Sir. I have a friend who will lend me his scales. I'd yet to see state of the art scales at the tracks around town. Oh, I forgot, there are no tracks in or around town. Maybe 60 miles away.
In the mean while, special ops will continue on its way. Still here in Detroit and paid a small visit to Dave for a dip of some parts in the old etching tub.

Even though I have no actual number at the moment, I will get this pup down to the very high 20's while still wearing its iron skin.




You can really play w/front, rear and side weights and get that puppy to work better unless it`s sorted out now. I regret taking out my 2 nd. batt and racing that way cos it definately likes and needed it there and havn`t raced since I put it back in. Lots of fun...........


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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: Thumperdart] #1354021
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Back from my trip and will look thoroughly at my weight loss log to give what I have already reduced and intend on in the near future. I'm sure that I could be off by a few numbers.
Stay tuned.

Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1354022
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Okay. After looking over my actual log over the past 20 years or so, I have reduced the cars weight by 675 Lbs with another guesstimated 20-30 Lbs to take off with other up coming tricks while retaining a relatively STOCK look.

Only prying sharp eyes will pick up on the non stock subtleties, so there will be a Tax incurred if you want to peep under the hood for any longer than a New York minute. LOL

If budget allows and certain parts arise, I can see another honest 20-30 lbs shaved off the top while wearing an all metal skin.

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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: hemi-itis] #1354024
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That's right, A light headed heavyweight we have here.LOL.
Al, maybe you'd be interested in a light weight aluminum bed for that truck. LOL.

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That's right, A light headed heavyweight we have here.LOL.
Al, maybe you'd be interested in a light weight aluminum bed for that truck. LOL.




Just put a lighter driver in it,,,,,,,,,,,,when he can reach the pedals

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