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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1353846
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Here's a rough mock up of the aluminum member with out the trimming to bring it to within the dimensions of the original one.
The next time this pup is viewed by you'll, it will be ready to paint and mount.
Shaves 3-1/4 Lbs. Lots of work for little gain, but that's the game.

I just reweighed everything leading back to an original unmolested cross member and found the following:
Stock steel member weighs in at 5-3/4 Lbs with the trans mount on board.
Steel member modified and trimmed as you see on this thread came in at
5-1/4 Lbs with the trans mount on board.
The Aluminum member with trans mount on board comes in at 2-1/2 Lbs.
Like said above, not much, but I'll take it.

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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1353847
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Love your work!


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Thank you Sir.

Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1353849
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I hope it lives ! very nice work. But I am scare. I have had to weld my steel one back together two times now. put some good braces on it the last time.
here is a pic of the crack's


Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: VernMotor] #1353850
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Wow. Never seen a member do that. Is it a four speed?
Do you have a trans brake?
I think you may have had some really porous contaminated metal there from the factory. Chrysler was not known for pretty precision welds anyway.
My steel member has never done any cracking in all the years that I have abused it. Maybe the drive train was out of alignment? Strange.

As far as this alloy member, trust me when I say that I have given it all a good thought and studied every possible way that it could/would fail, so that is why I have come up with the extra material pill box, 6061-T6 material through out, stress relieved radius corners and a constant visual multi-point inspection of the car and its special parts before and after racing activity for peace of mind.

I appreciate your concern.

Could you believe that back in the day in the name of saving weight, Factory engineers, Pontiac engineers as a matter of fact came up with the cocky idea of creating an aluminum exhaust header for their Cheese cars. Who would think of such a crazy idea knowing that it is no less than a raging furnace at those points. Of course they failed and pretty much melted like the wicked Witch of the West in Oz.
As far as the cheese frames, well those did not fare well either in some cases.

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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1353851
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Just automatic - no brake. slow bracket car LOL..took 40 years to break it !..I have seen some other cases of it also. But your right -not like it was great metal and wonderful welding..

Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1353852
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Wow. Never seen a member do that. Is it a four speed?
Do you have a trans brake?
I think you may have had some really porous contaminated metal there from the factory. Chrysler was not known for pretty precision welds anyway.
My steel member has never done any cracking in all the years that I have abused it. Maybe the drive train was out of alignment? Strange.

As far as this alloy member, trust me when I say that I have given it all a good thought and studied every possible way that it could/would fail, so that is why I have come up with the extra material pill box, 6061-T6 material through out, stress relieved radius corners and a constant visual multi-point inspection of the car and its special parts before and after racing activity for peace of mind.

I appreciate your concern.

Could you believe that back in the day in the name of saving weight, Factory engineers, Pontiac engineers as a matter of fact came up with the cocky idea of creating an aluminum exhaust header for their Cheese cars. Who would think of such a crazy idea knowing that it is no less than a raging furnace at those points. Of course they failed and pretty much melted like the wicked Witch of the West in Oz.
As far as the cheese frames, well those did not fare well either in some cases.


Mine cracked like that too so I welded it up and last time I checked it was fine.


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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: VernMotor] #1353853
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How heavy is that levee?
Whats your 60 ft?

Never ever heard of such breaks.
Surprise that motors have not fallen out of cars with those ugly bad welded K-frames also.
Notice how pit-bullish my modified steel member is compared to the factory papier mache' type posted earlier.
The aluminum will be just as bullish because it work stresses itself. That is why I keep a keen eye on my front strut bars.
I think that a bright White is an appropriate color to apply on stressed members like that so that cracks/bends/distortions could be easily discovered by the naked eye during inspection. Black, especially gloss black covers too well, thus creating a bad situation.

Maybe you should try a whole new one and throw that one in the melting pot. The factory gussets are a complete laughing stock.

Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1353854
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My car is 3700 with me in it. 1.51-1.55 60ft That happen two years ago. since I welded it up put some metal and braces on. It has been ok just looked at it the other night,

Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1353855
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You guys are cracking, because you guys are cracking the sound barrier. My 14 second slo-mo is not worthy of such stresses. LOL.

Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: VernMotor] #1353856
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Put that bad boy on a Jacko-Lee diet plan and watch the cracks hit the sack. 150-55 ft times is rather hard on parts with that weight, hence this thread.
Then again, my friends Duster would crack the floor with his pinion snubber on a 1.50 60'ft time street car weighing 2900 and change.

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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1353857
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Well you be proud of me I took the heater box out this winter..got maybe 25-30 pounds off the old girl LOL

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Ain't over till the FAT lady stings.
Voluptuous ladies rule, but I'd rather bring a slender super model to a race.LOL.

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You'll have an engine front plate?

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WHO is for a MAG water pump housing ? ....

Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: dOc !] #1353862
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I'm MAD for a Mag!
I've been looking at Magnesium sheets over at my supplier dude.
Although, Magnesium is very combustible/flammable in powder/shredded form. Man, those Cam bolts are full gone addictive. What are those able to go for?

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Another couple of items that are featherweights in naked form and heavy looking with a little paint are the hard to find Anodized valve cover push in breathers and Big block timing chain cover made by Moroso's sister company that made these parts with no name stampings.

Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: hemi-itis] #1353864
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Yeah Al, that Savoy would be even more savvy with at least 500 Lbs off. Talk about lo-9's in street trim for you.

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Procharge.

What would be the price on such things?

Very nice work.

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