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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: moparniac] #1353766
03/17/13 11:20 AM 03/17/13 11:20 AM
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On a street car, when does K frame trimming become a liability?

I have a spool mount small block K in my garage I am wanting to start whittling on but I don't want to sacrifice structural integrity. Was that flange a consequence of production methods or was it there for structural purposes?

The basic idea I had (which I've seen on here a enough) was to remove the flange where possible. Seems like it could be around 7-10 lbs. removed when done? Someone already took it out on the oil pan side and did a supremely crappy job welding the separated halves back together, so I wanted to clean that up too. I made a jig from square tubing that when the K is bolted to it would simulate it being bolted to the frame. I have yet to start grinding though.

I should probably just send it to Bondo Bob.

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production purposes for the ease of welding the half's together more efficiently. They were crude as far as spot welding goes.

I would send it to Bondo Bob as a first option or just jig it up as you mentioned and have some one that knows how to either Tig or Mig weld the half's together. If I were to be going at it alone, I would do quarter parts at a time while being sandwiched on the jig as to keep it all straight as the factory intended it to be.

My K is bone stock with the exception of the motor mount islands cut and ground off because I am using a front plate. I never ventured into the other lightening effects for lack of time and interest thinking that I would eventually get a factory light weight K and now have seen the reality of that attempt.

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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1353768
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Again I want to thank you guys for your inspiration!

The weight loss program I put the truck on is beginning to pay some dividends. Although I went to a track that was higher, and with a 6,000' DA - my 60' numbers have fallen as a result. Went from a best 60' of 1.51 to a 1.43 by taking all the weight off the front end of the truck. Now I'm going to tackle the middle of the truck to see what it will do!

I can attest that it is in FACT easier to get something lighter moving. LOL

Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1353769
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The job that dvw did on his was superb, was thinking along those lines. There was a thread a while back where he showed some pics.

Bondo Bob's pieces are killer too and relatively inexpensive for what they are.(IMO) Either way I think would be good as long as whatever welding is done is sound enough for NY street duty.

And also just to continue my own weight loss program, I recently received some aluminum front bumper brackets from jbmopars that he had for sale here. They should shed around 7-9 lbs off the front of the car depending on which fasteners I use. Nice parts, very well made.

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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: prochargedhemi] #1353770
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Man those things are NICE!!! what would it take for us to get a set of those? I'm interested....

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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: Duner] #1353771
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Light is might.
Your most welcome. It's sought of like a contingent of weight loss floss guys on here.
I've got a weight goal that must be reached and will some time in the future with a all metal body, hence Fullmetaljacket.
Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: mopardude318] #1353772
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I was making pairs of those for the A-bodies back in the late 90's starting with my friends street Duster, but got side tracked by my own work as well as they were too much work and not cost effective unless I made a jig which was also time consuming. Some people just did not want to spring for them, but maybe after seeing and reading on this forum, they'll reconsider and buy the ones from JBMOPARS. Great pieces and most likely light as the ones that I made. I just do not have the time anymore.
For sure a weight cutter.
Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: Thumperdart] #1353773
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Fellas and Gals, like ThumperD says, it is more time than money in most cases and when it does finally narrow down to the micro dietary schemes of Lbs, the money factor takes hold. That is of course if you want to cheat neat and look stock.
The obvious way to shave the weight would be putting the car under the crude scalpel all the way to the last bolt standing, and then you just simply look like a race car pedigree through out with out that enigmatic appeal. Not that all out race cars are not appealing, but you get the point.....
The F.A.S.T guys are guilty and innocent of all this to the core. Though some of them are at full curbside weight.
Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1353774
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I must say that I was shocked to see 2965 lbs. w/me on board and a 1/2 tank of fuel and there`s still another 35+ to remove from the ft. w/tires, lexan windshield and strut rods. Had to remove my grill to make a bracket to zues the ft. center down(hopefully enuff)and it fell apart and apparently has been broken for a while so I`ll patch that back together w/alum, paint it satin black and go for my first drive in over 3-months then the following thu it`s off to Irwindale............

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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: Thumperdart] #1353775
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I must bow and say that your weight reduction of 200 Lbs is quite impressive in such a short time period.
I could just see your garage in a mirage of a cloud with hands, tools, and feet sticking in and out of it just like the chaos fight clouds on the cartoons.LOL.
I've only taken a year or more to maybe remove 50 Lbs probably because of my obsession with being covert on certain particulars.

Congrats and may the high fives be in your future.
Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1353776
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Thumpman i'll be jealous if your street car runs faster than my race car .I'v always read your threads on doing thing to improve the performance of your street car My RACECAR always was a little faster than your streetcar.Seriously good luck on your quest to make a fast a$$ street car i no the 8 3/4 would love it

Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1353777
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What kind of scale do you weight loss freaks use to weigh your parts?

We have a digital bathroom scale but I'd rather not put old greasy parts on it. Guess I could cover it but would be better to just have a dedicated one that will hold up to said greasy parts out in the garage.

Started looking at shipping/utility scales. The ones that weigh things over say 35 lbs are cost prohibitive.

Looked on CL a bit for a used one but nothing that would be of any use came up in my search.

Found one online that looks like it might work but not sure if I want to spend the $50 on it. Not a bad price but still, that's $50 on a scale which is a limited-use item.

http://www.weighmax.com/w-4830.html

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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1353778
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I must bow and say that your weight reduction of 200 Lbs is quite impressive in such a short time period.
I could just see your garage in a mirage of a cloud with hands, tools, and feet sticking in and out of it just like the chaos fight clouds on the cartoons.LOL.
I've only taken a year or more to maybe remove 50 Lbs probably because of my obsession with being covert on certain particulars.

Congrats and may the high fives be in your future.

I`m a madman as in I get things done and obsess over every detail till it`s complete and my friend will be taking some pictures this week to post for all to see. I see another 35-40 lbs. coming off of the ft. soon.......... Thankxxx............

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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: racerx] #1353779
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Thumpman i'll be jealous if your street car runs faster than my race car .I'v always read your threads on doing thing to improve the performance of your street car My RACECAR always was a little faster than your streetcar.Seriously good luck on your quest to make a fast a$$ street car i no the 8 3/4 would love it

I`m just competing w/myself and have a 9.5 et goal then we`ll see if I want to cage it and step up the motor program as the funds allow. Funny, if u guys saw the "shack" that I did this in youd b amazed leaky roof and all and 4 fun I`ll post those pics also. As far as scales, I borrowed 4-corner Intercomp scales and the rest is history but now I need to make it hook to see the rewards...............

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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: RMCHRGR] #1353780
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I use both a mailing post scale for all the minute small parts like washers and small screws, etc. It reads grams, ounces much better.
For the larger greasier stuff, I use a small commercial scale that perks all the way up to 60 Lbs.
I am the same when it comes to rulers and tape measures. Micro measuring is the trick.
You would be much better at the job if the old yard stick stayed in the shed.
Bathroom scales do not register well with things that are 20 Lbs and below.
Funny, when people stop by my painting studio, they look over at my scales and mysteriously get quiet in deep thought. I can just see their thought bubbles reading; "AHA, now I know that he must be a Drug Dealer" LOL. Go figure.
Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1353781
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I used a bathroom scale and saw how inacurate it was w/low #`s like you said so I new the old weight and just figured I`d know more accurately w/the race scales. Man, I just got the QA-1 strut rods and they are light and bad azz.............

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Re: Real world weight loss program and it` cost.......... [Re: Thumperdart] #1353782
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I used a bathroom scale and saw how inacurate it was w/low #`s like you said so I new the old weight and just figured I`d know more accurately w/the race scales. Man, I just got the QA-1 strut rods and they are light and bad azz.............



I find it better to weigh myself and then step back on the scale with the item.
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WWWWWWWWhat, Those are adjustable right?

Mine are the standard stock look non adjustable and they were lighter by exactly 3-1/4 Lbs. Maybe 10 years on the road.

I'll have some pictures soon on some sick items in the oven at the moment.
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Bathroom scale? Yeah, with obvious heavy parts maybe, but not so revealing with items in the 1-10 Lbs.
The 1-10 Lbs ballpark is where most of the hard work presents itself because there's more of those fields through out the car than the bigger heavy weight items. It is also the ballpark where your kids daily allowance is a bargain compared to what is in store. Like Procharged on here said, those Ti-bolts are light on the chassis and heavy on the wallet.
I've saved for weeks to be able to buy four K member bolts that only ultimately saved 3/4 Lb. So in reality, I sacrificed a 401-K for a real K-member. LOL.

I remember using a bathroom scale back in 1990 when removing my original front and back seats. The front half fold down bench seat with belts and mounting hardware weighed exactly 100 Lbs. The rear seat and backing weighed 56 Lbs.
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WWWWWWWWhat, Those are adjustable right?

Mine are the standard stock look non adjustable and they were lighter by exactly 3-1/4 Lbs. Maybe 10 years on the road.

I'll have some pictures soon on some sick items in the oven at the moment.

They are adjustable and supposed to save 8 lbs. w/the pair and I`ll verify that soon.

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