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Re: B1's - Why not more popular for Big strokers??
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Re: B1's - Why not more popular for Big strokers??
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Re: B1's - Why not more popular for Big strokers??
[Re: Adrielp]
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12/14/12 05:51 PM
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Some good info here for me the BB newbie.
By the comments of some why stop at the Predator head, why not a Goodwin 5" BS Semi-Hemi or a Sonny's Hemi combo?
Oh no he didn't..Now you are going to upset the Mopar gods and 90% of the posters here with that comment They already gripe about the Predator stuff not being Mopar This majority opinion is why we dont have more options, closed minded thnking
And thats how innovation happens. In designing a new cylinder head, I attempted to keep things conventional with the standard Wedge port configuration but I could never get the intake volume I wanted or the port size. When I changed the configuration all together to a EIEIEIEI, it removed a lot of those restrictions. If anyone ever sits down and for a second and considers how could I improve this design, you will find out all the wrong things that were initially done that need to be solved. I can tell you now, the one thing I would like to change is the intake lifter spacing in the BBM, it sucks! Anyway, when you design this stuff, you really have to be a free thinker and put what works into a new design that doesn't really on whats been done in the past. There is no reason for the mopar faithful to be waiting on the 2013 version of a 906, it limits what can be done with the cylinder head all together.
Also, I saw that some people were talking about valve length and keeping the same rocker. Keep in mind that if you are trying to put the valve axes in the center of the cylinder bore, that longer valves shorten the rocker arm. It makes it really hard to keep the same rocker but with the performance gains your getting, a newer rocker arm would be added security in my opinion.
PS: I also hate the fact that no one has done a 5, 5.2, or 5.3 version of anything mopar besides a KAASE one off and a new blown AJPE/BAE type hemi head. This thinking in terms of innovation is frustrating. I'm 25 and I have no market of heads to look forward to if this type of thinking remains. I'm just glad I was dumb enough to attempt a design of my own.
Check out the photo below and flame away (Its pretty conventional right!).
Yes we need more pics, Im very interested on what you have there. Plus I don't care if it don't look like a 906 head,if it bolts to a mopar block and makes big HP thats all I care.
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Re: B1's - Why not more popular for Big strokers??
[Re: Adrielp]
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12/14/12 06:06 PM
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Some good info here for me the BB newbie.
By the comments of some why stop at the Predator head, why not a Goodwin 5" BS Semi-Hemi or a Sonny's Hemi combo?
Oh no he didn't..Now you are going to upset the Mopar gods and 90% of the posters here with that comment They already gripe about the Predator stuff not being Mopar This majority opinion is why we dont have more options, closed minded thnking
And thats how innovation happens. In designing a new cylinder head, I attempted to keep things conventional with the standard Wedge port configuration but I could never get the intake volume I wanted or the port size. When I changed the configuration all together to a EIEIEIEI, it removed a lot of those restrictions. If anyone ever sits down and for a second and considers how could I improve this design, you will find out all the wrong things that were initially done that need to be solved. I can tell you now, the one thing I would like to change is the intake lifter spacing in the BBM, it sucks! Anyway, when you design this stuff, you really have to be a free thinker and put what works into a new design that doesn't really on whats been done in the past. There is no reason for the mopar faithful to be waiting on the 2013 version of a 906, it limits what can be done with the cylinder head all together.
Also, I saw that some people were talking about valve length and keeping the same rocker. Keep in mind that if you are trying to put the valve axes in the center of the cylinder bore, that longer valves shorten the rocker arm. It makes it really hard to keep the same rocker but with the performance gains your getting, a newer rocker arm would be added security in my opinion.
<b>PS: I also hate the fact that no one has done a 5, 5.2, or 5.3 version of anything mopar besides a KAASE one off and a new blown AJPE/BAE type hemi head. This thinking in terms of innovation is frustrating. I'm 25 and I have no market of heads to look forward to if this type of thinking remains. I'm just glad I was dumb enough to attempt a design of my own. </b>
Mother Mopar herself had the 5-inch 99 stuff. Then Kaase and Goodwin advanced the heads from there. Goodwin will do the 5.2-5.3 versions of his "mopar" hemi heads also. 
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Re: B1's - Why not more popular for Big strokers??
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12/14/12 07:10 PM
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Re: B1's - Why not more popular for Big strokers??
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12/14/12 09:02 PM
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Perhaps I'm just an idiot, but that sounds very reasonable. I don't have that much for a race motor or don't need one, but if I did, that's the ticket. It's a billet block right? So no water cooling except a little through the heads?
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Re: B1's - Why not more popular for Big strokers??
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12/15/12 02:43 AM
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Some good info here for me the BB newbie.
By the comments of some why stop at the Predator head, why not a Goodwin 5" BS Semi-Hemi or a Sonny's Hemi combo?
Oh no he didn't..Now you are going to upset the Mopar gods and 90% of the posters here with that comment They already gripe about the Predator stuff not being Mopar This majority opinion is why we dont have more options, closed minded thnking
And thats how innovation happens. In designing a new cylinder head, I attempted to keep things conventional with the standard Wedge port configuration but I could never get the intake volume I wanted or the port size. When I changed the configuration all together to a EIEIEIEI, it removed a lot of those restrictions. If anyone ever sits down and for a second and considers how could I improve this design, you will find out all the wrong things that were initially done that need to be solved. I can tell you now, the one thing I would like to change is the intake lifter spacing in the BBM, it sucks! Anyway, when you design this stuff, you really have to be a free thinker and put what works into a new design that doesn't really on whats been done in the past. There is no reason for the mopar faithful to be waiting on the 2013 version of a 906, it limits what can be done with the cylinder head all together.
Also, I saw that some people were talking about valve length and keeping the same rocker. Keep in mind that if you are trying to put the valve axes in the center of the cylinder bore, that longer valves shorten the rocker arm. It makes it really hard to keep the same rocker but with the performance gains your getting, a newer rocker arm would be added security in my opinion.
PS: I also hate the fact that no one has done a 5, 5.2, or 5.3 version of anything mopar besides a KAASE one off and a new blown AJPE/BAE type hemi head. This thinking in terms of innovation is frustrating. I'm 25 and I have no market of heads to look forward to if this type of thinking remains. I'm just glad I was dumb enough to attempt a design of my own.
Check out the photo below and flame away (Its pretty conventional right!).
Yes we need more pics, Im very interested on what you have there. Plus I don't care if it don't look like a 906 head,if it bolts to a mopar block and makes big HP thats all I care.
Follow the link for more pics:
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=129971&page=97
Scroll down to post #1448 Pics or the runner are available there. This model is a one cylinder ABS plastic model and the bolt pattern is definitely BBM. I've already bolted the head to our low deck 400 block and it fits perfect. Initial results have shown promise. As long as our results are correct, this first design with untouched ports and untouched chamber yielded the following results. Note, that the flow at 0.900 is probably less than actual, the turbulence at the pitot tube pressure inlet at this lift causes the differential pressure to fall significantly for some reason. Test used 4.6in bore, 30deg backcut, 45deg seat, 2.40in valve, 0.75 radius plate.
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Re: B1's - Why not more popular for Big strokers??
[Re: camastomcat]
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12/15/12 08:24 AM
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734" 50k
Perhaps I'm just an idiot, but that sounds very reasonable. I don't have that much for a race motor or don't need one, but if I did, that's the ticket. It's a billet block right? So no water cooling except a little through the heads?
Actually it's a cast aluminum water block.
It CAN make 1600hp NA if asked to.
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Re: B1's - Why not more popular for Big strokers??
[Re: joshking440]
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12/15/12 09:41 AM
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I've weighed up the pro's and cons of some heads. Our next build is a 600+ N/A pump gas motor to get a 3800lb car into the 8's. We reckon we need over 1100hp to do this  The winner, for us, was the 600-13. Since we're building a new motor anyway, we will going for a 4.840 bore space and raised cam block. Some of the stuff I have now (572-13) will fit (intake, exhaust). This will keep the cost down a little and the old motor will be a straight swap spare. Whilst flow numbers aren't everything, for comparison, there are a few reports of over 500cfm with these heads. Not sure at what lift though  
'74 Challenger..9.46 @ 145.9 1/4, 6.001 @ 118 1/8 so far. 4023lb !!! # N/A, Marsh performance 655ci, Indy Maxx, T/R, Indy 600-13 X's, Street legal, pump gas, full interior, Cal-Tracs, mufflers, 3:73's and real 10.5 radials.
9.51 @ 142.4 1/4, 6.003 @ 114 1/8 with our old mule KB, 572-13, 580 wedge.
RHD '68 Barracuda Fastback 323ci street/strip. Best ET 13.88 @ 99.03
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