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590HP W2 headed pump gas 408 on the dyno... #1347177
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Got Daryl's W2 408 on the dyno today. We first ran an M1 intake that I ported and then ran his old Victor that I had ported. Tried a 950HP and a true 950.
Best power was with the Victor, 1" open spacer and true 950 carb.
10.4:1 compression, street solid roller cam and TTI 1 7/8 headers.
Link to one of many dyno pulls: http://youtu.be/WI1VQyyarwY

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Re: 590HP W2 headed pump gas 408 on the dyno... [Re: Brian Hafliger] #1347182
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Re: 590HP W2 headed pump gas 408 on the dyno... [Re: Brian Hafliger] #1347183
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Now THAT is going to be fun in a street car.

.....and easy on the wallet.

Re: 590HP W2 headed pump gas 408 on the dyno... [Re: Brian Hafliger] #1347184
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Sounds good and real cool!

Re: 590HP W2 headed pump gas 408 on the dyno... [Re: Dodgem] #1347185
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Any specs of the build?

Camshaft,
head work,
pistons,

Thats a nice one!!

Re: 590HP W2 headed pump gas 408 on the dyno... [Re: Moparnut426] #1347186
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Another sweet build, Brian!!


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World's Quickest Diahatsu Rocky (??) 414" Stroker Small block Mopar Powered. 10.84 @ 123...and gettin' quicker!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mWzLma3YGI

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Re: 590HP W2 headed pump gas 408 on the dyno... [Re: Brian Hafliger] #1347187
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Nice work Brian............these damn smallblocks are really puttin down the numbers lately..........


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Re: 590HP W2 headed pump gas 408 on the dyno... [Re: Thumperdart] #1347188
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Gosh damn that thing is an ANIMAL! Revs nice and quick too!

Expect a call from me today

Re: 590HP W2 headed pump gas 408 on the dyno... [Re: Moparnut426] #1347189
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Any specs of the build?

Camshaft,
head work,
pistons,

Thats a nice one!!




10.4:1, street solid roller (254-260 670 lift on 112), mild port work on the W2's and victor intake done by me. We tried an M1 I ported and the victor was worth 10HP and more power everywhere and the true 950 was worth 8HP over the 950HP.
Pistons are Diamond flattops.

Rockers are TD 1.6.

Really wanted to see 600HP and I think with 1.7 rockers and more portwork we would have been over that. Not too bad for REAL pump gas compression!!


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impressive that engine sounds happy for sure

Re: 590HP W2 headed pump gas 408 on the dyno... [Re: Brian Hafliger] #1347191
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Honestly that engine is not too far off mine with the exception being your camshaft and rockers, I have Sharps and split 1.6 intake, 1.5 exhaust because thats what I had laying around.

Im also running Indybrocks.

Im no where near that HP number, like a good 90 HP off, but man there is great potential in these engines.

Nice Work Brian!!!

Re: 590HP W2 headed pump gas 408 on the dyno... [Re: Moparnut426] #1347192
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Honestly that engine is not too far off mine with the exception being your camshaft and rockers, I have Sharps and split 1.6 intake, 1.5 exhaust because thats what I had laying around.

Im also running Indybrocks.

Im no where near that HP number, like a good 90 HP off, but man there is great potential in these engines.

Nice Work Brian!!!




Kasey, are you running a solid roller or hydraulic roller?

Re: 590HP W2 headed pump gas 408 on the dyno... [Re: mshred] #1347193
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Here's an article I cam across that is similar to this build, but in an LA version that looks to be geared towards a bracket type application, not a true street build:
http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles/ccrp_1110_pump_gas_small_block_mopar/


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Good power. Makes almost as much as my 440 RB and mine's over 12.5.1 comp.
What was the true 950 carb specs ?
Mick


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Good power. Makes almost as much as my 440 RB and mine's over 12.5.1 comp.
What was the true 950 carb specs ?
Mick




Just a Holley Ultra True 950HP, 85-86 jet with PV's, OOTB air bleeds. Very consistent AF's from 5000-6800rpm!


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what are your thoughts regards a wide( 112) cam on a low compression motor?
I suspect it helps a little with idle,driveability somewhat etc, but my experience is wide lsa n/a with low compression is that it adversely effects acceleration compared to something tighter, like a 108, particularly in the 60 foot.
Just a lot doggier out of the gate in my experiences...

Nice motor....


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I like tight lca's most times but everything is a compromise!
A smaller cam on a tighter lca would make more lower rpm power I'm sure, but for street cars traction is limited on the STREET so actually a good race HP and TQ curve work well.
At the track, sure more poop on the line would be nice, but I'll bet the engine spends most of it's time in the 5000-7000rpm range and with a 4" crank even if the 60ft. is a little soft it'll e.t. better this way than the other.


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what are your thoughts on the 1 7/8 TTI's say VS the 1 7/8 Hedmans that you also dyno with, are you gonna compare? great build BTW


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That man knows what he is doing!!!--Nice build--amazing results! I love a unit that revs like a chainsaw!!!

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N I C E!! sounds sweeeet!

Please...drop in the Duster and get a timeslip. I'd bet easy low-mid 10's with a very tame (streetable) converter...

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Very nice Brian... thats a perky little motor.. job well done!!

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what are your thoughts on the 1 7/8 TTI's say VS the 1 7/8 Hedmans that you also dyno with, are you gonna compare? great build BTW




All bets are off with a full exhaust system. Yesterday I finished testing that engine with Daryl's TTI 1 5/8 step headers and mufflers and it made 580HP! That's only 10HP down from the larger open headers and larger carb!!

So I say for the little bit of power difference, buy the nicer better product (TTI) unless every HP is important and then I'd just build custom headers at that point.
Thanks guys for all the nice feedback. Really, it's making the power is should so nothing special I guess but with all the "you must pay for advertising or you cannot post your business info" I thought some dyno info on a little W2 headed sb stroker would be fun since we don't see many posts like this anymore....Such a shame!!


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Brian, just out of curiosity here, how much more power do you think a solid roller was worth on this combo compared to say a similar solid flat tappet cam?

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Most dyno videos are boring but I really enjoyed this one, engine sounds great! That will be a blast in a fairly light weight car.


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Thanks Pro...Matt I would guess around 25-30HP maybe...as smooth as these lobes are, not sure it would be a huge amount.
Remember, the heads were only mildly ported so there's some power left on the table there.


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Thanks Pro...Matt I would guess around 25-30HP maybe...as smooth as these lobes are, not sure it would be a huge amount.
Remember, the heads were only mildly ported so there's some power left on the table there.




Cool, I was just wondering if the solid roller helped make substantially more power if it was to be up against a similar flat tappet. Motor sounds BAD when it is revving

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Nice stuff Brian.

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