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Re: Low Deck 400 Combos.... [Re: Al_Alguire] #1346837
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Dom you really need to bring that thing to the MATS this year. True Street Challenge is calling your name. Need to contact whichever magazine does this deal. Would love to see you come and take that deal.


When I was up there this year, I talked to David Young the Technical Editor of Mopar Muscle and asked if he`d consider an ugly fast car and he said "sure" so that might happen but then some n/a smallblock`s gonna hand me my ass.............


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Re: Low Deck 400 Combos.... [Re: Thumperdart] #1346838
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Well if you do try and enter and make the feild you we will do whatever to help out. Crash in the motorhome and we always have food I say go for it and enter and then the rest can be figured it out.


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Re: Low Deck 400 Combos.... [Re: Al_Alguire] #1346839
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I just may do that.............thankxxx Al. I`m heading to Yuma the 1st week of Jan w/a friend and may move there right afterwards..........


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Re: Low Deck 400 Combos.... [Re: Thumperdart] #1346840
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Well Dom anything I can do to help a fellow Mopar brother out I am more than happy to do. Would love to see you come up here with the car and get into the mix.


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Re: Low Deck 400 Combos.... [Re: Al_Alguire] #1346841
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Highly appreciated and I`ll keep ya posted..........


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Re: Low Deck 400 Combos.... [Re: Thumperdart] #1346842
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I don't know if this combo would be interesting as it requires a after market block,but a Low Deck with a 4.50 bore,4.15 stroke, BME aluminum rods,572-13 heads and a Cams Motion roller camshaft makes a awesome engine.It will rev up like a sbc & make the power of a 572 cu in engine and is faster in the car because of how much quicker it revs.


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Re: Low Deck 400 Combos.... [Re: MRMOPAR622] #1346843
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I have a bit of an odd ball combination but it is a low deck deal based on a 383 so I thought it would still fit the thread. 4.280 bore with a short piston , small dome netting approx 11:1 compression. 6.860 MP lightweight Oliver rods , lightened stock crank with a slight decrease in stroke to 3.360" . MP Stage 6 heads with a small port ,MP 2.14 , 1.81 valves (3/8" stem) , MP 590 solid camshaft, Edelbrock victor 440 manifold with .080 cut off each side to fit the heads properly and a old carb shop 850 carb. This deal is 385 cid and seems to like shifting around 7800 rpm.
Its in a 3100 lb car and has run a best of 9.86 at 135.60 in good air through header mufflers.
Many don't believe its basically a 383 but thats fine. Its very mild , behaves well and has proven to be a great bracket motor for the past 5 years. I have another one of these im going to start pieceing together but I will increase the stroke to 3.600 as the small motor is lacking slightly in the torque department.


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Re: Low Deck 400 Combos.... [Re: Hutch] #1346844
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I have a bit of an odd ball combination but it is a low deck deal based on a 383 so I thought it would still fit the thread. 4.280 bore with a short piston , small dome netting approx 11:1 compression. 6.860 MP lightweight Oliver rods , lightened stock crank with a slight decrease in stroke to 3.360" . MP Stage 6 heads with a small port ,MP 2.14 , 1.81 valves (3/8" stem) , MP 590 solid camshaft, Edelbrock victor 440 manifold with .080 cut off each side to fit the heads properly and a old carb shop 850 carb. This deal is 385 cid and seems to like shifting around 7800 rpm.
Its in a 3100 lb car and has run a best of 9.86 at 135.60 in good air through header mufflers.
Many don't believe its basically a 383 but thats fine. Its very mild , behaves well and has proven to be a great bracket motor for the past 5 years. I have another one of these im going to start pieceing together but I will increase the stroke to 3.600 as the small motor is lacking slightly in the torque department.


Hutch


Nice running combo..........


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Re: Low Deck 400 Combos.... [Re: Hutch] #1346845
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I have a bit of an odd ball combination but it is a low deck deal based on a 383 so I thought it would still fit the thread. 4.280 bore with a short piston , small dome netting approx 11:1 compression. 6.860 MP lightweight Oliver rods , lightened stock crank with a slight decrease in stroke to 3.360" . MP Stage 6 heads with a small port ,MP 2.14 , 1.81 valves (3/8" stem) , MP 590 solid camshaft, Edelbrock victor 440 manifold with .080 cut off each side to fit the heads properly and a old carb shop 850 carb. This deal is 385 cid and seems to like shifting around 7800 rpm.
Its in a 3100 lb car and has run a best of 9.86 at 135.60 in good air through header mufflers.
Many don't believe its basically a 383 but thats fine. Its very mild , behaves well and has proven to be a great bracket motor for the past 5 years. I have another one of these im going to start pieceing together but I will increase the stroke to 3.600 as the small motor is lacking slightly in the torque department.


Hutch



Please post the video clip of your car again.
Mick


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Re: Low Deck 400 Combos.... [Re: deaks] #1346846
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Nice combo's. I must have something wrong with mine.

I have a 511 with 14.3 to 1 compression. Small roller cam. .673 with 1.6 roller rockers. Basically otb 440-1 heads. 1050 ProSystems carb. Indy intake. 727 with 9" Ultimate converter. 8.75 rearend with .456's. Ladder bars. Car weighs 3000# with me in it. The best it has ran is 10.00 @ 135.26 mph. Maybe I shouldn't complain too much. The air was, and this is the best the car has seen, 6100' corrected.
I am sure that the car should run 9.60's in Vegas.

Is there something that I am missing to make it run better at that elavation? It usally runs 10 teens to 10 twenties.

Thanks.

Re: Low Deck 400 Combos.... [Re: Wax] #1346847
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Here's a vid (in car) but its not great. Converter was way too tight and the list goes on. It was a few years ago and I really need to get a new video of it now.Still a 9 second pass in the heat of the day. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K6ard18yo8


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Re: Low Deck 400 Combos.... [Re: Hutch] #1346848
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Another question for the experts, what crank/rod/piston combo would you use for a 512? Would you buy a stroker kit, or piece it together from someone like Ohio crank.


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Re: Low Deck 400 Combos.... [Re: 70Dart499] #1346849
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Most common 512 low deck combo is the 4.25 stroke 6.535 BBC rod and a .990 pin flat top or dish piston with a 1.30-1.32 CH

This 517 low deck has a slightly longer 4.300 stroke (made from offset grinding a 4.15" crank). even with a D dish the motor is still 12:1. The Chapman CNC Max Wedge heads flow 380 cfm and the torque curve of this motor has been the best all-around motor I have personally ever seen...let alone built.

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Re: Low Deck 400 Combos.... [Re: Hutch] #1346850
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I have a bit of an odd ball combination but it is a low deck deal based on a 383 so I thought it would still fit the thread. 4.280 bore with a short piston , small dome netting approx 11:1 compression. 6.860 MP lightweight Oliver rods , lightened stock crank with a slight decrease in stroke to 3.360" . MP Stage 6 heads with a small port ,MP 2.14 , 1.81 valves (3/8" stem) , MP 590 solid camshaft, Edelbrock victor 440 manifold with .080 cut off each side to fit the heads properly and a old carb shop 850 carb. This deal is 385 cid and seems to like shifting around 7800 rpm.
Its in a 3100 lb car and has run a best of 9.86 at 135.60 in good air through header mufflers.
Many don't believe its basically a 383 but thats fine. Its very mild , behaves well and has proven to be a great bracket motor for the past 5 years. I have another one of these im going to start pieceing together but I will increase the stroke to 3.600 as the small motor is lacking slightly in the torque department.


Hutch




This is impressive.....nice work

Curious as to the gear ratio and tire size...


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Re: Low Deck 400 Combos.... [Re: 340man4ever] #1346851
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Gear ratio is 4.88 and tire is a 16X32". It could really use more gear in the rear and less first ratio in the trans to make it work properly but for now , this is fine. Im sure this same combination could easily go high 9.60's at well over 137 mph with some fine tuning. Its a bracket car and for the most part im happy wearing a pair of jeans and a thin racing jacket running 10.00's.


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Re: Low Deck 400 Combos.... [Re: Hutch] #1346852
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Sweet! Heck of a running car for that cubic inch and weight......


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Re: Low Deck 400 Combos.... [Re: Streetwize] #1346853
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There are a lot of low deck stroker threads on here, and being relatively new to this forum, I'm trying my best to keep up to date on all of them.

As someone shopping for a stroker, I initially set my sights on the 440 source 500" kit. I have 400 and 440 blocks, but my car is originally 400, and I'd like to keep it stock looking for appearances. So that sort of rules out tall deck (for now).

The thing that irritates me about the 500" kit is the insanely short piston. I just think that for someone like me, who wants good street performance on cheap gas, that's probably not the right way to go. It just seems like pinging or piston slap might be a larger factor than normal. So I took a look at their 470" kit, and I noticed that one has a shorter rod, so that's going to harm the rod ratio. that also kind of turned me off.

Is this just a game of pick the compromise you can live with the most?

So now I am not sure what to do. I was thinking these store-bought places put together kits with readily available parts, and maybe there are other ways of doing it? I'd like a 470" or bigger but with the longer rod, maybe factory'ish length. Won't see anything higher than 6500, and it will be a 1500-6000 rpm street stump puller type of build. Any tips or combos?

By the way, that 383 sounds awesome!


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Re: Low Deck 400 Combos.... [Re: VincentVega] #1346854
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So I took a look at their 470" kit, and I noticed that one has a shorter rod, so that's going to harm the rod ratio. that also kind of turned me off.





Why?


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Re: Low Deck 400 Combos.... [Re: bigtimeauto] #1346855
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A low deck 4.25 stroke with a 6.535 rod has the same rod ratio as a typical 454 Chevy 4" stroke/6.135 rod.....countless thousands of production motors went millions of street miles....and every weekend thousands of bracket racers still run the .060 over 468's turning a LOT more RPM than 6500 reliably.

On an RB you can put a fairly long skirt on the slugs since the rod can be longer. On a B with a nominal 9.98" deck the skirt is more limited but still well more than adequate to ensure reliable street service

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Re: Low Deck 400 Combos.... [Re: bigtimeauto] #1346856
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Not a bad little combo at 608 HP on pump gas and actually it was gaining 6HP per 100 RPM at 7300 but thats all we turned it--that was a mistake--shoulda coulda woulda
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