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Re: Change at Indy Cylinder Heads
[Re: joshking440]
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11/28/12 10:56 PM
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Dont worry guys. This isnt something that will be short lived, and I have spoke to Russ in length about what we need to do to create the image that is deserved....
Its not going to be nearly as hard as you guys may think...
So Josh, did Russ trip, fall and crack his head on a hemi block?? every time I tried to talk to him about a specific product at any of the shows he ended up being a total azz,I finally gave up and went the direction that I did. 
Light travels faster than the speed of sound,,,this is why some people seem bright untill you hear them speak.
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Re: Change at Indy Cylinder Heads
[Re: bigtimeauto]
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11/29/12 12:53 AM
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Good luck Josh. Sounds like you have your work cutout for you.
 As a bystander, here's what I see -
440source (and others) get bashed for quality-related stuff. Most of the angst is toward the parts, less so toward the employees. This thread, though, really shows where many folks loathe the people as much as the parts. So unless those people stay away from teh phones and sales counter, that'll be a tough turnaround.
so all the people have to do is buy the parts from a indy dealer and get usa made parts and knowledgeable help.
I bought my stuff from Pete at best machine and never had a issue. Not to mention I am helping keep america people working by BUYING parts MADE HERE not just sold here. 
I would buy all USA parts if they would LOWER THEIR F$%%# prices.
Also-- Ive been beating on my 440 Source internals since 2007 with no issues--along with thousands of other racers. 
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Re: Change at Indy Cylinder Heads
[Re: FastOne]
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11/29/12 06:00 PM
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Re: Change at Indy Cylinder Heads
[Re: DblOJoe]
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11/29/12 06:00 PM
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Seems like they would just fix there quality issues and the customer service problem would take care of its self.
If I could buy a set of heads from any company and truly run them out of the box without having to have any other machine work done or correct any problems then I'd only have to talk to them once.
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Re: Change at Indy Cylinder Heads
[Re: Big Squeeze]
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11/29/12 06:51 PM
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Re: Change at Indy Cylinder Heads
[Re: camastomcat]
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11/30/12 12:50 AM
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If you would look 440 source does use and have alot of parts pistons rods, rod bolts intakes that are made right here in the USA! go check it out ! before blasting!! just as any crank co some made here other made out side the USA !! http://store.440source.com/MADE-IN-USA/products/121/
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Re: Change at Indy Cylinder Heads
[Re: dennismopar73]
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11/30/12 01:21 AM
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If you would look 440 source does use and have alot of parts pistons rods, rod bolts intakes that are made right here in the USA!
go check it out ! before blasting!!
just as any crank co some made here other made out side the USA !!
http://store.440source.com/MADE-IN-USA/products/121/
It's Chinese steel dude. Where its machined doesn't make it US made. Cranks, rods, cheap for a reason.
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Re: Change at Indy Cylinder Heads
[Re: camastomcat]
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11/30/12 01:41 AM
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I would buy all USA parts if they would LOWER THEIR F$%%# prices.
Also-- Ive been beating on my 440 Source internals since 2007 with no issues--along with thousands of other racers.
These are the kinds of remarks that really pi$$ me off. Weekend warriors, 2 or 3 times a year. If you are happy using sub par crap for you 600HP time bomb, have fun till you drive over your crankshaft. It's the reason we don't have any decent representation for mopar "race parts". That's right "race parts". Some of us are serious people trying to make serious fields with very few options. Like I've always said, Mopar people have to be the tightest bunch I've ever been assotiated with. I'm not talking about the ones that race every weekend or try to actually win championships, they can't afford sub par parts. For this reason, those of us that compete for championships and run the fast brackets, are forced to buy GM stuff at a certain point. Support the US companies, or we will all be driving Chevies! Rant over!
Just curious but by buying "GM stuff" are you not agreeing with his remark regarding Mopar stuff. Again just curious.
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Re: Change at Indy Cylinder Heads
[Re: camastomcat]
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11/30/12 02:17 AM
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I would buy all USA parts if they would LOWER THEIR F$%%# prices.
Also-- Ive been beating on my 440 Source internals since 2007 with no issues--along with thousands of other racers.
These are the kinds of remarks that really pi$$ me off. Weekend warriors, 2 or 3 times a year. If you are happy using sub par crap for you 600HP time bomb, have fun till you drive over your crankshaft. It's the reason we don't have any decent representation for mopar "race parts". That's right "race parts". Some of us are serious people trying to make serious fields with very few options. Like I've always said, Mopar people have to be the tightest bunch I've ever been assotiated with. I'm not talking about the ones that race every weekend or try to actually win championships, they can't afford sub par parts. For this reason, those of us that compete for championships and run the fast brackets, are forced to buy GM stuff at a certain point. Support the US companies, or we will all be driving Chevies! Rant over!
WOW----- get off your high horse there Richie Rich ! A LOT of us are "budget bracket racers" and dont have $$$ flying out of our arses like you for top quality parts.
Weekend warrior ???
That describes 90 % of racers on here !
2 or 3 times a year ???
Want to see all my log books ?? try 3 times a month .
In fact--with my new job , i should be able to hit every weekend for points racing in 2013 .
To "most" of us Lowly , stupid 600hp guys that drive junk---thats a serious racer .
And MY 600hp "timebomb" is holding together GREAT ! I built it in my garage and I think I did a good job.
I should dig out my log books and count the passes on this motor----it would make your delusional, patriotic head explode.
Anyway--you better get back to your shop--im sure you are working on your Pro Stock engine this week .
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Re: Change at Indy Cylinder Heads
[Re: 493_DART]
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11/30/12 02:49 AM
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The fact of the matter is its impossible to make the majority of products in America for the prices most Americans insist on paying. When you have to pay the employees more than $0.20 an hour, pay our federal and state taxes, deal with the tree huggers, maintain your equipment to the point that you can actually hold reasonable tolerances, use the actual alloys you advertise, hire people that can reliably perform a heat treating process, pay health insurance and benefits, take care of the environmental concerns (waste, etc.), pay for land here and energy costs here, the price tends to go up. Will that chinese crank survive in a 600-hp motor? You will most likely never have a problem. But the point is it's unreasonable to expect an American company to meet the same price point as a chinese one. Then again, its not hard to see where the best parts are most likely to be made.
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Re: Change at Indy Cylinder Heads
[Re: camastomcat]
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11/30/12 06:39 AM
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If you would look 440 source does use and have alot of parts pistons rods, rod bolts intakes that are made right here in the USA!
go check it out ! before blasting!!
just as any crank co some made here other made out side the USA !!
http://store.440source.com/MADE-IN-USA/products/121/
It's Chinese steel dude. Where its machined doesn't make it US made. Cranks, rods, cheap for a reason.
Tell me friend, what brand are your crank and rods?
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Re: Change at Indy Cylinder Heads
[Re: camastomcat]
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11/30/12 09:15 AM
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If you would look 440 source does use and have alot of parts pistons rods, rod bolts intakes that are made right here in the USA!
go check it out ! before blasting!!
just as any crank co some made here other made out side the USA !!
http://store.440source.com/MADE-IN-USA/products/121/
It's Chinese steel dude. Where its machined doesn't make it US made. Cranks, rods, cheap for a reason.
WOW,, Their rods / pistons/ rods / bolts,,Rings, many many other parts available thru them are made right here super dude!!!
I have no idea about what crank co you use,?? odds are who really knows on some cranks?
As for being cheap,, anyone can sell stuff as cheap as they want to, it all depends on how much of a mark-up is built into the product!
Back on topic!!
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