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Federal motor carrrier CDL chart #1340515
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Should help understand some of it



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Re: Federal motor carrrier CDL chart [Re: bigdad] #1340516
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Simple enough... Most do not understand that once a truck and trailer are hooked together and the gross vehicle weight tags break 26,001 pounds you are no different than a tractor/tractor besides the air brakes endorsement.

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26001 you have to have at lease a class b cdl in nc .. I have a class a I own a truck

Re: Federal motor carrrier CDL chart [Re: earthmover] #1340518
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Those of you towing trailers for pleasure (I.E, hauling your race car) are exempt from the CDL requirements, as it's supposed to apply for commercial vehicles only. Problem is the officer pulling you over will have his own interpretation of the law and you can be ticketed anyway.


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Those of you towing trailers for pleasure (I.E, hauling your race car) are exempt from the CDL requirements, as it's supposed to apply for commercial vehicles only. Problem is the officer pulling you over will have his own interpretation of the law and you can be ticketed anyway.




I'd like to see where it says anyone is excempt from having a CDL.. 26,001 pounds or more is just that, why would it matter if you are driving for a living or hauling horses, race cars, or a bulldozer. Not that I disagree or want to argue about it but from my understanding it is the weight and once you reach it you need a CDL.

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I'd like to see where it says anyone is excempt from having a CDL.. 26,001 pounds or more is just that, why would it matter if you are driving for a living or hauling horses, race cars, or a bulldozer. Not that I disagree or want to argue about it but from my understanding it is the weight and once you reach it you need a CDL.




It only applies if you are driving a commercial motor vehicle.

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/registration-licensing/cdl/cdl.htm

"Drivers are required to obtain and hold a CDL if they operate in interstate, intrastate, or foreign commerce if they drive a vehicle that meets any of the classifications of a CMV described below."


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Re: Federal motor carrrier CDL chart [Re: Blusmbl] #1340521
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RV can be over 26001 but if its plated rv in indiana exempt from all dot regulations i believe in most states


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Re: Federal motor carrrier CDL chart [Re: Blusmbl] #1340522
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I'd like to see where it says anyone is excempt from having a CDL.. 26,001 pounds or more is just that, why would it matter if you are driving for a living or hauling horses, race cars, or a bulldozer. Not that I disagree or want to argue about it but from my understanding it is the weight and once you reach it you need a CDL.




It only applies if you are driving a commercial motor vehicle.

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/registration-licensing/cdl/cdl.htm

"Drivers are required to obtain and hold a CDL if they operate in interstate, intrastate, or foreign commerce if they drive a vehicle that meets any of the classifications of a CMV described below."




if they drive a vehicle that meets any of the classifications of a CMV described below

Class A -- Any combination of vehicles with a GCWR of 26,001 or more pounds provided the GVWR of the vehicle(s) being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.

It doesnt say "ONLY" commercial, it says "if they drive a vehicle that meets any of the classifications of a CMV"

So combined I am 32,000 plus with my set up, that makes me a Class A CDL.

Re: Federal motor carrrier CDL chart [Re: 3404] #1340523
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It reads as an "and" statement, not an "or" statement.

You have to be engaging in inter/intrastate commerce AND operating a vehicle that fits the CDL requirements. If you are not engaging in interstate commerce, you are not subject to CDL rules regardless of vehicle weight. A good example is the RV mentioned above, many RV's are over 26001 GVWR, but just the act of driving an RV for pleasure does not require a CDL in 46 of 50 states, regardless of the weight of an RV. It can even have air brakes, you are not driving commercially so a CDL is not required in most states.

Additional info:

http://changingears.com/rv-sec-state-rv-license.shtml

Note that only 4 states total require you to have a CDL when driving an RV, and only for >26k and/or longer than 45'. Every other state does not require a CDL regardless of weight.

Also, if you are engaging in interstate commerce, if the vehicle is below the requirements listed in the chart, you do not need a CDL either.

Edit: where you can get held up is if the officer interprets bracket racing with a payout as "engaging in intrastate commerce". Then you're stuck paying the fine unless you take the ticket to court.

I know of several guys that race NHRA divisionals, their large toterhomes are registered as RV's and they have never had issues with police.

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Re: Federal motor carrrier CDL chart [Re: Blusmbl] #1340524
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not sure about pulling your race or not but here farmers are allowed to drive and pull whatever without a cdl,hell if your a farmer in nc and would like to build on your land you only have to buy 1 permit in your life time ...I just don't under stand it myself.. they can pull move anything cheaper cause the ins. rates are cheaper for them....I was told once to just say that my truck is used for farm use , but if I get stopped pulling for someone else big fine...

Re: Federal motor carrrier CDL chart [Re: Blusmbl] #1340525
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I'll have to read more into that.

Re: Federal motor carrrier CDL chart [Re: 3404] #1340526
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Just be warned that as soon as you win money, you have became a business. Then you are commercial. It doesn't matter if you spent $50k on the car, and you won $100, you generated income.

Sooooo, when you get pulled over, and the cop asks if you won any money, tell them no!

It especially sucks when you start crossing state lines, because then you should have fuel tax stickers and keep track of miles and fuel to pay the states appropriate road tax.

If it gets anymore trouble around here to run my 1 ton pickup and gooseneck, I'm just going to get a trailer to pull with the semi we already have on the farm.

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Re: Federal motor carrrier CDL chart [Re: 3404] #1340527
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Yep, farmers get off easy.

I've seen what a hassle having a CDL is, I'm most likely going to have to get one for work next year but have been holding off until the last possible moment. My girlfriend has a class A CDL and several of my friends are truck drivers.

Getting a CDL opens up a huge can of worms for you. Want to go to a race 3 states away? To be completely legal you'd need fuel and trip permits for each state, or IFTA stickers and apportioned plates. Neither of those options are cheap. You can't be on the road more than 14 hours per day, but you can't drive more than 11 hours during that 14 hour time period. You have to fill out logbooks. Your rig will get randomly inspected at weigh stations. Your DUI threshold drops from .1 down to .04. The list goes on...as soon as you have a CDL, you are held to a higher standard than a normal person with a regular driver's license.


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Re: Federal motor carrrier CDL chart [Re: Blusmbl] #1340528
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In pa you can get a class A NON CDL for pulling your personal trailer.


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Re: Federal motor carrrier CDL chart [Re: Blusmbl] #1340529
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I'd like to see where it says anyone is excempt from having a CDL.. 26,001 pounds or more is just that, why would it matter if you are driving for a living or hauling horses, race cars, or a bulldozer. Not that I disagree or want to argue about it but from my understanding it is the weight and once you reach it you need a CDL.




It only applies if you are driving a commercial motor vehicle.

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/registration-licensing/cdl/cdl.htm

"Drivers are required to obtain and hold a CDL if they operate in interstate, intrastate, or foreign commerce if they drive a vehicle that meets any of the classifications of a CMV described below."




You will have to get a CDL if you hit the weight!
even if you just taking your race car to the track!! you are then in a business !
you tax write it off your a business !
I do not care if you have your lawn mower on it once it hits the weight,, you need a CDL!!!!

Re: Federal motor carrrier CDL chart [Re: dennismopar73] #1340530
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I do not care if you have your lawn mower on it once it hits the weight,, you need a CDL!!!!




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Re: Federal motor carrrier CDL chart [Re: Blusmbl] #1340531
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I do not care if you have your lawn mower on it once it hits the weight,, you need a CDL!!!!




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If you're making money with that lawnmower it's a different story though.

Check with your state's laws to be safe, but Federal law says it is not required.


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If you're making money with that lawnmower it's a different story though.

Check with your state's laws to be safe, but Federal law says it is not required.




Well,, I can tell you in Illinois you will get CDL!!
Ask me how I know!!!!
Once you hit the weight, !!! don't care what you say is or isn't!!
yes !! even your race car if you tax write it off you just put your self in Business!! BINGO CDL !!! NO EXCEPTION!!!!!
you won a free trip to the land of OZ!!


Re: Federal motor carrrier CDL chart [Re: MMiller] #1340534
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Just be warned that as soon as you win money, you have became a business. Then you are commercial. It doesn't matter if you spent $50k on the car, and you won $100, you generated income.

Sooooo, when you get pulled over, and the cop asks if you won any money, tell them no!




Not looking to offend anyone here, but this statement seems to be the general consensus in our racing comunity. Can anyone show me the federal regulation that backs this up? Just winning money, and only winning money, doesn’t mean you are commerce.

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Just be warned that as soon as you win money, you have became a business. Then you are commercial. It doesn't matter if you spent $50k on the car, and you won $100, you generated income.

Sooooo, when you get pulled over, and the cop asks if you won any money, tell them no!




Not looking to offend anyone here, but this statement seems to be the general consensus in our racing comunity. Can anyone show me the federal regulation that backs this up? Just winning money, and only winning money, doesn’t mean you are commerce.




no you are commercial if you make any money.

You are only testing, not racing and winning money.
I pulled a huge toterhome and 49' trailer for 125K miles in about 40 states with my race equippment and have never been pulled over.

Niether my truck or trailer is lettered with anything except top alcohol dragster for track indentification(when the trailer is stiting at the track).

If your RV has moterhome plates then you will never need a CDL license. My RV hAS a 36K weight rating and I don't need a CDL even though I have had one since the law went into effect.

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In pa you can get a class A NON CDL for pulling your personal trailer.




Same in Texas. BUT You have to know what extra paperwork to fill out and they will tell you flat out, Outside of Texas your own your own if you get pulled over for a CDL violation.

There is a Difference between a CDL Class A and a Plain Ole Class-A it's even stated as such in the Federal DOT Rules which is what all states have to follow at a minimum.

Most just over look it and give you a CDL as a Class A and be done with it. Laziness on the States Behalf.

IIRC: Farmers have the 150mile radius law that protects them.

Re: Federal motor carrrier CDL chart [Re: DakFink] #1340537
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In pa you can get a class A NON CDL for pulling your personal trailer.




Same in Texas. BUT You have to know what extra paperwork to fill out and they will tell you flat out, Outside of Texas your own your own if you get pulled over for a CDL violation.

There is a Difference between a CDL Class A and a Plain Ole Class-A it's even stated as such in the Federal DOT Rules which is what all states have to follow at a minimum.

Most just over look it and give you a CDL as a Class A and be done with it. Laziness on the States Behalf.

IIRC: Farmers have the 150mile radius law that protects them.




Farmers do have a max distance... its either 100 miles
or 150... my up north place WAS registered as a farm
but is no longer.. but at least I have my equipment
registered as farm before it changed

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It reads as an "and" statement, not an "or" statement.

You have to be engaging in inter/intrastate commerce AND operating a vehicle that fits the CDL requirements. If you are not engaging in interstate commerce, you are not subject to CDL rules regardless of vehicle weight. A good example is the RV mentioned above, many RV's are over 26001 GVWR, but just the act of driving an RV for pleasure does not require a CDL in 46 of 50 states, regardless of the weight of an RV. It can even have air brakes, you are not driving commercially so a CDL is not required in most states.

Additional info:

http://changingears.com/rv-sec-state-rv-license.shtml

Note that only 4 states total require you to have a CDL when driving an RV, and only for >26k and/or longer than 45'. Every other state does not require a CDL regardless of weight.

Also, if you are engaging in interstate commerce, if the vehicle is below the requirements listed in the chart, you do not need a CDL either.

Edit: where you can get held up is if the officer interprets bracket racing with a payout as "engaging in intrastate commerce". Then you're stuck paying the fine unless you take the ticket to court.

I know of several guys that race NHRA divisionals, their large toterhomes are registered as RV's and they have never had issues with police.




If you are over weight 26001 # or more you will have a C D L!!!
just because so n so doesn't have it does not mean nothing!!
There are just a few states that have variances for non C D L but must have enhanced
license upgrades!
But Once you operate as a business such as drag racing,, you are running a business and make that vehicle tax deducted for such then you are a commercial business and must be registered as such!!
So , if the weight does not get you then the business side applies , either way CDL required!!
And just because so n so get by does not make it legal!!
Here in Illinois, it is weight and the tax deduction of the racing operation!
The weight is not the plate that you have on the truck and trailer,, it is the GVWR of truck and trailer!!
thus brings to light a whole new set of laws and rules to follow,, truck inspections and trailer inspections!!!oo and medical clearance!!
"D" plates requires to pull just about any enclosed trailer over 28' with a duelly truck ext cab "B" plates will not work
Also take note , the State Police can enforce any rule of law they so choose, but the Secretary State Police when they see issues of wrong plate on wrong vehicles will be the most likely to enforce infractions of registrations!!
Just because the State issues such plate or license does not mean it is legal to run it illegal!



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In pa you can get a class A NON CDL for pulling your personal trailer.




Same in Texas. BUT You have to know what extra paperwork to fill out and they will tell you flat out, Outside of Texas your own your own if you get pulled over for a CDL violation.

There is a Difference between a CDL Class A and a Plain Ole Class-A it's even stated as such in the Federal DOT Rules which is what all states have to follow at a minimum.

Most just over look it and give you a CDL as a Class A and be done with it. Laziness on the States Behalf.

IIRC: Farmers have the 150mile radius law that protects them.




Farmers do have a max distance... its either 100 miles
or 150... my up north place WAS registered as a farm
but is no longer.. but at least I have my equipment
registered as farm before it changed





Farmers are excempt up to 150 miles but can not cross state lines with out IFTA sticker!!!
The states will license you how ever 'you want to be' but in doing so you take the risk knowing full ware what the conseqences are !!
You can put RV plates on your pick up truck, but if you do not have the required componets it is illegal!
I have seen trucks with dealer plates on pulling trailers too,, That can cost you the plates and a very huge fine!!
seams every one wants to get by on the 'cheap ' side the cost of liability god forbid a fatality accident could cost you everything you have and then some!!

Re: Federal motor carrrier CDL chart [Re: dennismopar73] #1340540
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Here's my trailer.... 53' 18,000 lbs GVWR ....truck is 8,900 GVWR....



Here's the OFFICIAL response in Califronia from my CHP DOT buddy....

The trailer will require a Class A license, regardless of what you use to pull it... but otherwise nothing special should be needed. It looks pretty impressive...

And here's another he sent me....

You need a Class A, because they GVW is more than 10,000 pds. As a result, you will need an up to date medical card as well for your Class A to be valid. If it's "not" for hire, then you do "not" need a CA #, and I would put "Not for hire" on the side. On a side note, insurance gets tricky with combinations that size, and I would highly encourage you to have at least a million dollar umbrella coverage on the entire unit. I can mail you documentation explaining it all if you want, or maybe even have a DOT officer swing by your place if you want confirmation.

It measured out to be 67.5 ft overall length...in Calif that means I'm 2.5 ft too long....but they inspected stickered it anyways so I'm good to go....

And yes....had to get the 1 million dollar policy to cover it.....

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The point of the picture post was to have at very least some idea what is and isn't

States vary from place to place ..a lot !

The kicker is, even IF you are legal , you may run into a LEO that does not read the rules as such .

Couple things can happen, they can delay you on the side of the road for ??

They can ticket you and demand you get legal and or move it to storage until you / it is .

Regarless it could mean you are out of pocket clearing the incident up

You can poll 100 LEO's and get 99 different answers

States want and need to generate revenue, and most times you are seen as a source of possible infractions

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Thats what pisses me off... this is FEDERAL but yet
each state has their version... I am legal here in
Mich but I have no idea about other states,so far
I havent had any problems in Mich, Indiana or Ohio

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The point of the picture post was to have at very least some idea what is and isn't

States vary from place to place ..a lot !

The kicker is, even IF you are legal , you may run into a LEO that does not read the rules as such .

Couple things can happen, they can delay you on the side of the road for ??

They can ticket you and demand you get legal and or move it to storage until you / it is .

Regarless it could mean you are out of pocket clearing the incident up

You can poll 100 LEO's and get 99 different answers

States want and need to generate revenue, and most times you are seen as a source of possible infractions


I pulled that thing back from Memphis,Tn...it had WV plates on it.....never got stopped....was a pucker pull for sure.....LOL....I'm trying to get my ducks in a row as in 2013 we'll be racing 32 weekends in 10 different states....

Re: Federal motor carrrier CDL chart [Re: bigdad] #1340544
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The point of the picture post was to have at very least some idea what is and isn't

States vary from place to place ..a lot !

The kicker is, even IF you are legal , you may run into a LEO that does not read the rules as such .

Couple things can happen, they can delay you on the side of the road for ??

They can ticket you and demand you get legal and or move it to storage until you / it is .

Regarless it could mean you are out of pocket clearing the incident up

You can poll 100 LEO's and get 99 different answers

States want and need to generate revenue, and most times you are seen as a source of possible infractions




Welcome to the world of truck driving. Been battling it for years. No matter how hard you work, an officer can and will find something wrong(usually an interpertation) and fine you. Almost like we are in a communist country....


93 W250 CTD getrag, Bosch 185 injectors, AFE air filter. Trailer puller, daily driver,

90 W250 CTD 727 with smokin 5" stacks. Off road truck

75 Dodge W200 440 4spd 4x4 locked front and rear, twin disc clutch, E85. Pulling truck
Re: Federal motor carrrier CDL chart [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1340545
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Thats what pisses me off... this is FEDERAL but yet
each state has their version... I am legal here in
Mich but I have no idea about other states,so far
I havent had any problems in Mich, Indiana or Ohio





I'm not even close to needing a cdl but some of the towing stories I've heard make me nervous when towing out of state.

I don't know if its true but I was told PA is the worst by more than a few people.

Re: Federal motor carrrier CDL chart [Re: Chassisman] #1340546
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Yeah, its like pulling a big sign that says

STOP ME !!

You will seldom win an arguement on the side of the road with a law enforcement person

When he stops you, he is already intent on finding where you are breaking the law


Couple others and everyone might know them

make sure you have correct safety chains and they are by law hooked correctly

and make sure you have your break away switch intact and its working (check your battery)

They love to catch on those two items


Re: Federal motor carrrier CDL chart [Re: MPerry] #1340547
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Thats what pisses me off... this is FEDERAL but yet
each state has their version... I am legal here in
Mich but I have no idea about other states,so far
I havent had any problems in Mich, Indiana or Ohio





I'm not even close to needing a cdl but some of the towing stories I've heard make me nervous when towing out of state.

I don't know if its true but I was told PA is the worst by more than a few people.




I have heard PA is bad... thats why I dont go there

Re: Federal motor carrrier CDL chart [Re: MMiller] #1340548
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Welcome to the world of truck driving. Been battling it for years. No matter how hard you work, an officer can and will find something wrong(usually an interpertation) and fine you. Almost like we are in a communist country....




Do you guys have lawyers on retainer for this kind of stuff? We had a rookie cop at a weigh station write up one of our trucks for non-registration and not having apportioned plates, even though we had every last bit of the appropriate permits ($5000 worth) for all of the vehicles in our caravan. The fine was almost $2000, in less than 2 hours after it happened lawyers contacted the weigh station and got the fine waved because of the cop's incorrect interpretation of the law.

Re: Federal motor carrrier CDL chart [Re: bigdad] #1340549
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Yeah, its like pulling a big sign that says

STOP ME !!

You will seldom win an arguement on the side of the road with a law enforcement person

When he stops you, he is already intent on finding where you are breaking the law


Couple others and everyone might know them

make sure you have correct safety chains and they are by law hooked correctly

and make sure you have your break away switch intact and its working (check your battery)

They love to catch on those two items






Being as was one for over 10 years, And then worked in the Safety department of a rather large trucking co for 5 years , some things are just easy to see,, and you don't have to look hard!!
I still got down the road and see stuff that I know is illegal.
You also need to know just how wide of a trailer you can pull down some roads and yes even highways !!
Some you can not be over 98" wide, some are 102!!
So it is really up to the owner of the vehicle to make sure you are in compliance, most 'officials' at your local D M V , have no idea!!
I have a friend who pulls a dually crew cab , with a 28ft trailer, with ; B ' truck plates
he won't change till he gets a ticket!!
My boss now refuses to get his truck inspected even tho the "D" plates regs says he must!!

Re: Federal motor carrrier CDL chart [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1340550
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Thats what pisses me off... this is FEDERAL but yet
each state has their version... I am legal here in
Mich but I have no idea about other states,so far
I havent had any problems in Mich, Indiana or Ohio





I'm not even close to needing a cdl but some of the towing stories I've heard make me nervous when towing out of state.

I don't know if its true but I was told PA is the worst by more than a few people.




I have heard PA is bad... thats why I dont go there





I have trailered in PA many times, just last summer and then many times to Reading. Yup have never been bothered.

I have never been pulled over in any state trailering and have done quite a bit of it.

I used pickup trucks and a toterhome with 26', 40' goose and 49' goose.

I wash my truck and trailer before every trip. Keep up on my maintance and drive a couple miles under the speed limit. If your stuff looks maintained I think it goes a long ways to them leaving you alone.
OT I have/OWN a small fleet of fuel tankers and deal with the federal rules everyday since 1983 and have been through at least 4, 3 day audits of my PUCO records.(driver training, hazmat training, logs, pre trip inspection paper work, and a ton of other record keeping.

I have asked them about race car trailers because mine sit's right outside my office window and they know I'm a racer. They say no lettering and your not speeding they couldn't care less about the weekend racer. Now if your speeding or have questionable dirty equipment then they will look closer at you.

I think it says alot about a driver who keeps his rig spotless and they agree and I know that from talking with these guys for 3 days straight.

If your rig is lettered your commercial, if it's not then you can get by without a CDL because you can say it's recreational, which it is for most of us.

My 36000GVW toterhome was built from the get go as a RV and has motorhome plates which exempts me from any CDL laws in all states or least in the states I have been in which is most of them except the upper western coast.

Re: Federal motor carrrier CDL chart [Re: Challenger 1] #1340551
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Bob George got nailed in PA a couple years ago... and
he lives there

Re: Federal motor carrrier CDL chart [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1340552
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I remembering reading some of that I think. Didn't he pull into the scales or inspection station looking for trouble? Or maybe not? I'm sure he will set me straight.

I don't want to argue and there is a lot of confusion over the laws, but I'm not lying about anything I said I sure as heck am not scared of pulling a trailer in any state.

Drive the speed limit to begin with if you don't want to be pulled over and have your equipment in order, it's the law.

God I love a sparkling clean rig on the road, it get's my blood flowing and I love the open road.

Re: Federal motor carrrier CDL chart [Re: Challenger 1] #1340553
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I wash my rig a couple of times a year and I always
clean it before I go out of state

Re: Federal motor carrrier CDL chart [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1340554
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Couple times a year? I can say I have washed my whole rig at least 12 times a year because that's how many races we did plus 4 show/sales meetings dates where they used my car for my sponsor, so that's 16 times a year at least. I tried waiting till my help got to the shop to help but they didn't like to help much, so I got used to doing it myself. Keeps me young...I hope.

Then my toterhome sit's outside under tree and I washed the whole thing this past weekend starting with the roof to get all the leaves and tree sap off and I'm not going anywhere any time soon. I've been storing the toterhome outside since new in 2002 and it still looks pretty dang good for 10 years old. I'm not afraid of water and sweat.

It's a piece of cake when all there is a open trailer. It's the last thing I do, wash it and then take a shower and hit the road. It's a routine that I got into 20 years ago before I even had the toterhome.
Wheels get polished a few days ahead of time and not every trip but close.

Re: Federal motor carrrier CDL chart [Re: Challenger 1] #1340555
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Hell I havent moved my rig in over a year

Re: Federal motor carrrier CDL chart [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1340556
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10 days and 5376 miles later we are back home, did not stop at a truck wash this trip and the bugs were thick and you could smell them. But not one bug on the windsheild of the challenger. The truck blocks all of them and even the rocks from the road miss the car luckly.

5376 miles of brake dust on the trailer wheels and bonneville salt on the car. This was this past summer.

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Re: Federal motor carrrier CDL chart [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1340557
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98% of the time I tow with my flatbed tow truck which is a commercial vehicle and subject to all DOT rules & regs.
When your towing with a pick up and your junk ain't all lettered up,you do not need a DOT number.I believe the drivers licence is more governed by your home state.Here's a letter I recieved a few years back after a lengthy conversation with a DOT senoir rep.


State of New York
Department of Transportation
Albany, N.Y. 12232
htto://www.nvsidot.gov
Stanley Gee David A. Paterson
Acting Commissioner Governor
January 7, 2010
Mr. Al Levine
P 0 Box 403
Great Neck, NY 11022
Dear Mr. Levine:
I write to confirm our conversation today regarding USDOT numbering requirements.
A USDOT number and legal name (markings) are required for self propelled vehicles engaged in commerce when operated singularly or in combination weighing 10,001 pounds or more. FMCSA 390.5 Definitions - Commercial Motor Vehicle (CMV) (1).
Self propelled vehicles with a Manufacturer's Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (MGVWR) of less than 10,001 pounds when combined with a trailer may exceed 10,001 pounds, - if the operator is enraged in commerce - a USDOT number and legal name is required on the power unit. FMCSA 390.5 CMV (1)
Self propelled vehicles with a MGVWR of less than 10,001 pounds when operated singularly in commerce do not meet the FMCSA 390.5 CMV (1) definition of a CMV and are therefore exempt and not subject to any CMV requirements. In other words, no USDOT number or markings are required. Copy of FMCSA 390.5 enclosed.
The transportation of personal property - horses, race cars, antique tractors or whatever for personal use within the state or across state lines, - requiring the use of a vehicle singularly or in combination exceeding 10,001 pounds - not for profit or not in furtherance of a commercial enterprise, you do not deduct transportation costs or related expenses on your income tax returns, and any prize money is declared as ordinary income for tax purposes and corporate sponsorship is not involved; you are exempt from USDOT requirements and not required to have a USDOT number or markings as you are not engaged in commerce; (FMCSA 390.3 Sub (f) Exceptions (3).
Enclosed find CFR 390.3 (f) Exceptions (3) and related interpretations.
As example, you live in Great Neck, NY and your hobby is drag racing. You and other hobbyists are members of a drag racing Super Stock Nostalgia club. The club members are invited to exhibit their cars and participate in racing events in a show located in Englishtown, NJ.


Your pickup (hypothetically) has a gross vehicle weight of 8,500 pounds. The trailer has a gross manufactures weight of 10,000 pounds, in combination both truck and trailer are 18,500 pounds.
Because you are transporting personal property for personal reasons you are not required to have a USDOT number on your truck as you are not engaged in commerce or in furtherance of a commercial enterprise.
I suggest that you keep a copy of this letter and the enclosed copies of FMCSA regulations at hand in the event you are stopped roadside.
You may copy this letter and enclosed FMCSA regulations and distribute among club members in the event they are stopped roadside and are queried regarding USDOT numbers or marking requirements.
Please call if I can be of any further assistance, 518 457 3841. As further information, our Department Safety Officer is John Connolly. He can be reached at 518 457 3406.
Very truly yours,
Robert J. J. Motschmann
Carrier Compliance & Investigation Section
Registration & Permitting Bureau Office of Modal Safety & Security
Enclosures

§390.5

The term "fire trucks and rescue vehicles" should not be considered to include certain wildfire suppression services
support vehicles such as: trucks operated by caterers or other food vendors; cargo tank vehicles and trailers operated by
water supply companies; cargo tank vehicles and trailers
used to transport fuel for helicopters and auxiliary equip¬ment such as generators; vehicles used to transport tents (or
other temporary shelters), portable showers, or portable/
mobile restrooms; or, buses designed or used to transport 16 or more passengers, including the driver. Although cargo
tank vehicles and trailers operated by water supply compa-
nies should not be considered fire trucks or rescue vehicles, wildfire suppression efforts that require significant use of water supply companies are likely to result in the declaration
of an emergency, as defined in 49 CFR 390.5. If an emergency is declared, all motor carriers, including water supply compa¬nies, providing direct assistance (as defined in 49 CFR 390.5) in responding to the emergency would be covered by §390.23, an exception to all of the requirements of 49 CFR Parts 390 through 399.
*Editor's Note: This interpretation was issued after the interpretations were published in the Federal Register in April 1997.
§390.5 Definitions.
Unless specifically defined elsewhere, in this sub-chapter:
Accident means—
(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2) of this defini¬tion, an occurrence involving a commercial motor vehi¬cle operating on a highway in interstate or intrastate commerce which results in:
(i) A fatality;
(ii) Bodily injury to a person who, as a result of the injury, immediately receives medical treatment away from the scene of the accident; or
(iii) One or more motor vehicles incurring disabling damage as a result of the accident, requiring the motor vehicles to be transported away from the scene by a tow truck or other motor vehicle.
(2) The term accident does not include:
(i) An occurrence involving only boarding and alight-ing from a stationary motor vehicle; or
(ii) An occurrence involving only the loading or unloading of cargo.
Alcohol concentration (AC) means the concentra¬tion of alcohol in a person's blood or breath. When expressed as a percentage it means grams of alcohol per 100 milliliters of blood or grams of alcohol per 210 liters of breath.
Bus means any motor vehicle designed, constructed, and or used for the transportation of passengers, including taxicabs.
Business district means the territory contiguous to and including a highway when within any 600 feet along such highway there are buildings in use for busi¬ness or industrial purposes, including but not limited to hotels, banks, or office buildings which occupy at least 300 feet of frontage on one side or 300 feet collec¬tively on both sides of the highway.
Charter transportation of passengers means transportation, using a bus, of a group of persons who pursuant to a common purpose, under a single con-

tract, at a fixed charge for the motor vehicle, have acquired the exclusive use of the motor vehicle to travel together under an itinerary either specified in advance or modified after having left the place of origin.
Commercial motor vehicle means any self-pro-pelled or towed motor vehicle used on a highway in interstate commerce to transport passengers or prop¬erty when the vehicle—
(1) Has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross combi-nation weight rating, or gross vehicle weight or gross combination weight, of 4,536 kg (10,001 pounds) or more, whichever is greater; or
(2) Is designed or used to transport more than 8 pas-sengers (including the driver) for compensation; or
(3) Is designed or used to transport more than 15 passengers, including the driver, and is not used to transport passengers for compensation; or
(4) Is used in transporting material found by the Secretary of Transportation to be hazardous under 49 U.S.C. 5103 and transported in a quantity requiring placarding under regulations prescribed by the Secre-tary under 49 CFR, subtitle B, chapter I, subchapter C.
Conviction means an unvacated adjudication of guilt, or a determination that a person has violated or failed to comply with the law in a court of original juris-diction or by an authorized administrative tribunal, an unvacated forfeiture of bail or collateral deposited to secure the person's appearance in court, a plea of guilty or nob contendere accepted by the court, the payment of a fine or court cost, or violation of a condition of release without bail, regardless of whether or not the penalty is rebated, suspended, or probated.
Direct Assistance means transportation and other relief services provided by a motor carrier or its driver(s) incident to the immediate restoration of essential services (such as, electricity, medical care, sewer, water, telecommunications, and telecommunica-tion transmissions) or essential supplies (such as, food and fuel). It does not include transportation related to long-term rehabilitation of damaged physical infra-structure or routine commercial deliveries after the ini¬tial threat to life and property has passed.
Direct compensation means payment made to the motor carrier by the passengers or a person acting on behalf of the passengers for the transportation services provided, and not included in a total package charge or other assessment for highway transportation services. Disabling damage means damage which precludes departure of a motor vehicle from the scene of the acci-dent in its usual manner in daylight after simple repairs.
(1) Inclusions. Damage to motor vehicles that could have been driven, but would have been further dam¬aged if so driven.
(2) Exclusions.
(i) Damage which can be remedied temporarily at the scene of the accident without special tools or parts.
(ii) Tire disablement without other damage even if no spare tire is available.
(iii) Headlamp or taillight damage.

*390.3

PART 390 — GENERAL
Subpart A — General Applicability and Definitions
§390.1 Purpose.
§390.3 General applicability.
§390.5 Definitions.
§390.7 , Rules of construction.
Subpart 8— General Requirements and Information
§390.9 State and local laws, effect on.
§390.11 Motor carrier to require observance of driver regulations.
§390.13 Aiding or abetting violations.
§390.15 Assistance in investigations and special studies.
§390.16 [Reserved]
§390.17 Additional equipment and accessories.
§390.19 Motor carrier identification report.
§390.21 Meriting of CMVs.
§390.23 Relief from regulations.
§390.25 Extension of relief from regulations—emergencles.
§390.27 Locations of motor carrier safety service centers.
§390.29 Location of records or documents.
§390.31 Copies of records or documents.
§390.33 Commercial motor vehicles used for purposes other
than defined
§390.35 Certificates, reports, and records: falsification, reproduction, or alteration.
§390.37 Violation and penalty.
Subpart C — [Removed and reserved]
Subpart D — [Removed and reserved]
Subpart A — General Applicability
and Definitions
§390.1 Purpose.
This part establishes general applicability, defini¬tions, general requirements and information as they pertain to persons subject to this chapter.
§380.3 General applicability.
(a) The rules in Subchapter B of this chapter are applicable to all employers, employees, and commercial motor vehicles, which transport property or passengers in interstate commerce.
(b) The rules in Part 383, Commercial Driver's License Standards; Requirements and Penalties, are applicable to every person who operates a commercial motor vehicle, as defined in §383.5 of this subchapter, in interstate or intrastate commerce and to all employ¬ers of such persons.
(c) The rules in Part 387, Minimum levels of finan¬cial responsibility for motor carriers, are applicable to motor carriers as provided in §§387.3 or 387.27 of this subchapter.

(d) Additional requirements. Nothing in Sub¬chapter B of this chapter shall be construed to prohibit an employer from requiring and enforcing more strin¬gent requirements relating to safety of operation and employee safety and health.
(e) Knowledge of and compliance with the reg. ulations.
(1) Every employer shall be knowledgeable of and comply with all regulations contained in this subchapter which are applicable to that motor carrier's operations.
(2) Every driver and employee shall be instructed regarding, and shall comply with, all applicable regula-tions contained in this subchapter.
(3) All motor vehicle equipment and accessories required by this subchapter shall be maintained in compliance with all applicable performance and design criteria set forth in this subchapter.
(f) Exceptions. Unless otherwise specifically pro¬vided, the rules in this subchapter do not apply to—
(1) All school bus operations as defined in §390.5;
(2) Transportation performed by the Federal govern-ment, a State, or any political subdivision of a State, or an agency established under a compact between States that has been approved by the Congress of the United States;
(3) The occasional transportation of personal prop-erty by individuals not for compensation nor in the fur-therance of a commercial enterprise;
(4) The transportation of human corpses or sick and injured persons;
(5) The operation of fire trucks and rescue vehicles while involved in emergency and related operations.
(6Xi) The operation of commercial motor vehicles designed or used to transport between 9 and 15 passen-gers (including the driver), not for direct compensation, provided the vehicle does not otherwise meet the defi-nition of a commercial motor vehicle, except that motor carriers operating such vehicles are required to comply with §§390.15, 390.19, and 390.21(a) and (b)(2).
(ii) The operation of commercial motor vehicles designed or used to transport between 9 and 15 passen-gers (including the driver) for direct compensation, pro-vided the vehicle is not being operated beyond a 75 air-mile radius (86.3 statute miles or 138.9 kilometers) from the driver's normal work-reporting location, and provided the vehicle does not otherwise meet the defi¬nition of a commercial motor vehicle, except that motor carriers operating such vehicles are required to comply with §§390.15, 390.19, and 390.21(a) and (b)(2).
(7) Either a driver of a commercial motor vehicle used primarily in the transportation of propane winter heating fuel or a driver of a motor vehicle used to respond to a pipeline emergency, if such regulations would prevent the driver from responding to an emer-gency condition requiring immediate response as defined in §390.5.
(g) Motor carriers that transport hazardous materi¬als in intrastate commerce. The rules in the following provisions of subchapter B of this chapter apply to motor carriers that transport hazardous materials in

§390.3
Guidance; Under 4390.3(0(2), transportation performed by
the Federal Government, States, or political subdivisions of a State is generally exempt from the FMCSRs. Indian Tribal Governments are considered equivalent to a State govern-mental entity for purposes of this exemption. Thus, when a driver is employed by and is operating a CMV owned by a governmental entity, neither the driver, the vehicle, nor the entity is subject to the FMCSRs, with the following excep-tions:
(1) The requirements of part 383 relating to CMV driver licensing standards;
(2) The drug testing requirements in part 382;
(3) Alcohol testing when an employee is performing, about to perform, or just performed safety-sensitive functions. For the purposes of alcohol testing, safety-sensitive functions are defined in §382.107 as any of those on-duty functions set forth in §395.2 On-Duty time, paragraphs (1) through (6), (gener¬ally, driving and related activities) and;
(4) The accident report retention requirements of §390.15 are applicable when the governmental entity is performing interstate charter transportation of passengers.
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Question 21: Does the exemption in §390.3(0(3) for the "occasional transportation of personal property by individuals t for compensation nor in the furtherance of a commercial enterprise" apply to persons who occasionally use CMVs to transport cars, boats, horses, etc., to races, tournaments, shows or similar events, even if prize money is offered at these events?
Guidance: The exemption would apply to this kind of trans-portation, provided: (1) The underlying activities are not undertaken for profit, i.e., (a) prize money is declared as ordinary income for tax purposes, and (b) the cost of the
underlying activities is not deducted as a business expense for tax purposes; and, where relevant; (2) corporate sponsorship
is not involved. Drivers must confer with their State of licen-sure to determine the licensing provisions to which they are
/........,
subject.
Question 22: If, after December 18, 1995, a Mexico-based driver is found operating beyond the boundaries of the four border States allowed by the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), is that driver in violation of the FMC-SRs? If so, which one?
Guidance: No. Driving beyond the four border States is not, in and of itself, a violation of the FMCSRs.
Question 23: Is transportation within the boundaries of a State between a place in an Indian Reservation and a place outside such reservation interstate commerce?
Guidance: No, such transportation is considered to be intr-astate commerce. An Indian reservation is geographically located within the area of a State. Enforcement on Indian reservations is inherently Federal, unless such authority has been granted to the States by Congressional enactment, ac-cepted by the States where appropriate, and consented to by the Indian tribes.
Question 24: To what extent does the FHWA have juris-diction to regulate the qualifications and hours of service of CMV drivers engaged in interstate or foreign commerce if the drivers only occasionally operate in interstate or foreign com-merce?
Guidance: The FHWA published an interpretation in the Federal Register on July 23, 1981 (46 FR 37902) on this subject. The FHWA must show that the driver or motor carrier has engaged in interstate or foreign commerce within a rea-sonable period of time prior to its assertion of jurisdiction under 49 U.S.C. 31136 and 31502.
The FHWA must show that the driver or motor carrier has actually operated in interstate commerce within a reasonable period of time prior to its assertion of jurisdiction. Mere

soliatatla of business thAt. wind& involve operations in in-terstate commerce is not suilicientto establish jurisdiction. If jurisdiction is claimed over a driver who has not driven in interstate commerce, evidence 'must be presented that the carrier has operated in interstate commerce and that the driver could reasonably be expected to make one of the carri¬er's interstate runs. Satisfactory evidence would include, but not be limited to, statements from drivers and carriers and any employment agreements.
Evidence of driving or being available for use in interstate commerce makes the driver subject to the FMCSEts for a 4-month period from the date of the proof. For that period, the motor carrier is also required to comply with those portions of the FMCS% that deal with drivers, driving, and records related to or generated by drivers, primarily those in 49 CFR parts 387, 391, 392, 395 and 396. The FHWA believes that the 4-month period is reasonable because it avoids both a week-by-week determination of jurisdiction, which is excessively narrow, and the assertion that a driver who is used or avail; able for use once remains subject to the FMCSRa for an unlimited time, which is overly inclusive.
Editor's Note: The following memorandum was issued February 8, 2000:
Purpose
On July 6, 1999,1 issued a memorandum to all field offices concerning the authority of the Office of Motor Carrier and Highway Safety (OMCHS) to regulate the qualifications and maximum hours of service of commercial motor vehicle (CMV) drivers who operate both in interstate and intrastate com-merce. Concerns about that memo have been expressed by (1) State agencies uncertain about its implications for the Motor Carrier Safety Assistance Program (MCSAP) (specifically, the tolerance guidelines for States' intrastate hours-of-service regulations); (2) motor carriers trying to determine whether Federal or State safety regulations would apply to intrastate trips made by drivers who also handled interstate runs; and (3) FMCSA field office personnel.
After considering the issues raised by the July memo, I have decided to change the policy of the FMCSA. This memo-randum explains when the agency will exercise jurisdiction over intrastate operations of motor carriers and drivers that sometimes operate interstate.
Background
The statutes on which most of the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Regulations (FMCSR,$) are based apply only to "inter-state commerce." The extent of the jurisdiction conferred by that term has been decided by the Federal courts in a long series of cases. Most of the motor carrier cases analyzing "interstate commerce" involve disputes about overtime pay under the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA). The FLSA ex-empts employers from the requirement to pay over time to any employee "with respect to whom the Secretary of Transporta¬tion has power to establish qualifications and maximum hours of service" under the Motor Carrier Act of 1935 (i.e., 49 U.S.C. 31502). Since the 1935 Art applies only to "inter-state com¬merce," the courts have had to determine whether drivers not currently operating across State lines may nonetheless be subject to the "power" of the Secretary, and thus not entitled to overtime pay.
In 1981 the Federal Highway Administration (FHWA), on be-half of its Bureau of Motor Carrier Safety, published a notice in the Federal Register (46 FR 37902, July 23, 1981) discussing the more important FLSA cases and interpreting its "jurisdiction to regulate the qualifications and maximum hours of service of commercial motor vehicle drivers engaged in interstate or foreign commerce." The notice summarized the conclusions of these cases as follows:

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