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Re: Federal motor carrrier CDL chart
[Re: earthmover]
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11/24/12 10:17 PM
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Those of you towing trailers for pleasure (I.E, hauling your race car) are exempt from the CDL requirements, as it's supposed to apply for commercial vehicles only. Problem is the officer pulling you over will have his own interpretation of the law and you can be ticketed anyway.
'18 Ford Raptor, random motorcycles, 1968 Plymouth Fury III - 11.37 @ 118
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Re: Federal motor carrrier CDL chart
[Re: Blusmbl]
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11/24/12 10:25 PM
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Those of you towing trailers for pleasure (I.E, hauling your race car) are exempt from the CDL requirements, as it's supposed to apply for commercial vehicles only. Problem is the officer pulling you over will have his own interpretation of the law and you can be ticketed anyway.
I'd like to see where it says anyone is excempt from having a CDL.. 26,001 pounds or more is just that, why would it matter if you are driving for a living or hauling horses, race cars, or a bulldozer. Not that I disagree or want to argue about it but from my understanding it is the weight and once you reach it you need a CDL.
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Re: Federal motor carrrier CDL chart
[Re: 3404]
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11/24/12 10:38 PM
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I'd like to see where it says anyone is excempt from having a CDL.. 26,001 pounds or more is just that, why would it matter if you are driving for a living or hauling horses, race cars, or a bulldozer. Not that I disagree or want to argue about it but from my understanding it is the weight and once you reach it you need a CDL.
It only applies if you are driving a commercial motor vehicle.
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/registration-licensing/cdl/cdl.htm
"Drivers are required to obtain and hold a CDL if they operate in interstate, intrastate, or foreign commerce if they drive a vehicle that meets any of the classifications of a CMV described below."
'18 Ford Raptor, random motorcycles, 1968 Plymouth Fury III - 11.37 @ 118
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Re: Federal motor carrrier CDL chart
[Re: Blusmbl]
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11/24/12 10:46 PM
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RV can be over 26001 but if its plated rv in indiana exempt from all dot regulations i believe in most states
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Re: Federal motor carrrier CDL chart
[Re: Blusmbl]
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11/24/12 10:54 PM
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I'd like to see where it says anyone is excempt from having a CDL.. 26,001 pounds or more is just that, why would it matter if you are driving for a living or hauling horses, race cars, or a bulldozer. Not that I disagree or want to argue about it but from my understanding it is the weight and once you reach it you need a CDL.
It only applies if you are driving a commercial motor vehicle.
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/registration-licensing/cdl/cdl.htm
"Drivers are required to obtain and hold a CDL if they operate in interstate, intrastate, or foreign commerce if they drive a vehicle that meets any of the classifications of a CMV described below."
if they drive a vehicle that meets any of the classifications of a CMV described below
Class A -- Any combination of vehicles with a GCWR of 26,001 or more pounds provided the GVWR of the vehicle(s) being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
It doesnt say "ONLY" commercial, it says "if they drive a vehicle that meets any of the classifications of a CMV"
So combined I am 32,000 plus with my set up, that makes me a Class A CDL.
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Re: Federal motor carrrier CDL chart
[Re: 3404]
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11/24/12 11:09 PM
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It reads as an "and" statement, not an "or" statement. You have to be engaging in inter/intrastate commerce AND operating a vehicle that fits the CDL requirements. If you are not engaging in interstate commerce, you are not subject to CDL rules regardless of vehicle weight. A good example is the RV mentioned above, many RV's are over 26001 GVWR, but just the act of driving an RV for pleasure does not require a CDL in 46 of 50 states, regardless of the weight of an RV. It can even have air brakes, you are not driving commercially so a CDL is not required in most states. Additional info: http://changingears.com/rv-sec-state-rv-license.shtmlNote that only 4 states total require you to have a CDL when driving an RV, and only for >26k and/or longer than 45'. Every other state does not require a CDL regardless of weight. Also, if you are engaging in interstate commerce, if the vehicle is below the requirements listed in the chart, you do not need a CDL either. Edit: where you can get held up is if the officer interprets bracket racing with a payout as "engaging in intrastate commerce". Then you're stuck paying the fine unless you take the ticket to court. I know of several guys that race NHRA divisionals, their large toterhomes are registered as RV's and they have never had issues with police.
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Re: Federal motor carrrier CDL chart
[Re: 3404]
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11/24/12 11:34 PM
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Just be warned that as soon as you win money, you have became a business. Then you are commercial. It doesn't matter if you spent $50k on the car, and you won $100, you generated income.
Sooooo, when you get pulled over, and the cop asks if you won any money, tell them no!
It especially sucks when you start crossing state lines, because then you should have fuel tax stickers and keep track of miles and fuel to pay the states appropriate road tax.
If it gets anymore trouble around here to run my 1 ton pickup and gooseneck, I'm just going to get a trailer to pull with the semi we already have on the farm.
Michael
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90 W250 CTD 727 with smokin 5" stacks. Off road truck
75 Dodge W200 440 4spd 4x4 locked front and rear, twin disc clutch, E85. Pulling truck
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Re: Federal motor carrrier CDL chart
[Re: 3404]
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11/24/12 11:44 PM
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Yep, farmers get off easy.  I've seen what a hassle having a CDL is, I'm most likely going to have to get one for work next year but have been holding off until the last possible moment. My girlfriend has a class A CDL and several of my friends are truck drivers. Getting a CDL opens up a huge can of worms for you. Want to go to a race 3 states away? To be completely legal you'd need fuel and trip permits for each state, or IFTA stickers and apportioned plates. Neither of those options are cheap. You can't be on the road more than 14 hours per day, but you can't drive more than 11 hours during that 14 hour time period. You have to fill out logbooks. Your rig will get randomly inspected at weigh stations. Your DUI threshold drops from .1 down to .04. The list goes on...as soon as you have a CDL, you are held to a higher standard than a normal person with a regular driver's license.
'18 Ford Raptor, random motorcycles, 1968 Plymouth Fury III - 11.37 @ 118
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Re: Federal motor carrrier CDL chart
[Re: Blusmbl]
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11/25/12 01:26 AM
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In pa you can get a class A NON CDL for pulling your personal trailer.
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Re: Federal motor carrrier CDL chart
[Re: Blusmbl]
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11/25/12 10:41 AM
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I'd like to see where it says anyone is excempt from having a CDL.. 26,001 pounds or more is just that, why would it matter if you are driving for a living or hauling horses, race cars, or a bulldozer. Not that I disagree or want to argue about it but from my understanding it is the weight and once you reach it you need a CDL.
It only applies if you are driving a commercial motor vehicle.
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/registration-licensing/cdl/cdl.htm
"Drivers are required to obtain and hold a CDL if they operate in interstate, intrastate, or foreign commerce if they drive a vehicle that meets any of the classifications of a CMV described below."
You will have to get a CDL if you hit the weight!
even if you just taking your race car to the track!! you are then in a business !
you tax write it off your a business !
I do not care if you have your lawn mower on it once it hits the weight,, you need a CDL!!!!
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Re: Federal motor carrrier CDL chart
[Re: Blusmbl]
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11/25/12 11:21 AM
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I do not care if you have your lawn mower on it once it hits the weight,, you need a CDL!!!!
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Re: Federal motor carrrier CDL chart
[Re: max_maniac]
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11/25/12 11:33 AM
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If you're making money with that lawnmower it's a different story though.  Check with your state's laws to be safe, but Federal law says it is not required.
'18 Ford Raptor, random motorcycles, 1968 Plymouth Fury III - 11.37 @ 118
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Re: Federal motor carrrier CDL chart
[Re: Blusmbl]
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11/25/12 12:31 PM
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If you're making money with that lawnmower it's a different story though.
Check with your state's laws to be safe, but Federal law says it is not required.
Well,, I can tell you in Illinois you will get CDL!!
Ask me how I know!!!!
Once you hit the weight, !!! don't care what you say is or isn't!!
yes !! even your race car if you tax write it off you just put your self in Business!! BINGO CDL !!! NO EXCEPTION!!!!!
you won a free trip to the land of OZ!!
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Re: Federal motor carrrier CDL chart
[Re: MMiller]
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11/26/12 12:12 PM
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Just be warned that as soon as you win money, you have became a business. Then you are commercial. It doesn't matter if you spent $50k on the car, and you won $100, you generated income.
Sooooo, when you get pulled over, and the cop asks if you won any money, tell them no!
Not looking to offend anyone here, but this statement seems to be the general consensus in our racing comunity. Can anyone show me the federal regulation that backs this up?  Just winning money, and only winning money, doesn’t mean you are commerce.
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not sure about pulling your race or not but here farmers are allowed to drive and pull whatever without a cdl,hell if your a farmer in nc and would like to build on your land you only have to buy 1 permit in your life time ...I just don't under stand it myself.. they can pull move anything cheaper cause the ins. rates are cheaper for them....I was told once to just say that my truck is used for farm use , but if I get stopped pulling for someone else big fine... 